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Saint_Genghis t1_j143o7b wrote

Reply to comment by Mr_EZ_sk in Germany returns 20 Benin bronzes to Nigeria, noting ‘dark past’ by Fit-Asparagus8557

Yeah let's maybe hold off on the Rosetta Stone, considering Egypt had a revolution not so long ago. The Egyptian Museum was raided in the chaos, and priceless artifacts were destroyed.

Nothing much has really changed for Egypt since the revolution, I'd be wary giving any artifacts back to them until it becomes more stable.

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calmdwnnchill t1_j14ia1l wrote

Lol what kinda mentality is this, “yea we stole it and have no morale/humane standard, but we will you ppl are civilized to have it back so we will keep it for you.” That’s how you sound.

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Saint_Genghis t1_j14ito9 wrote

How do you feel about ISIS destroying Palmyra or the Taliban destroying the Bamiyan Buddhas?

I'd rather not risk the destruction of priceless artifacts thanks.

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calmdwnnchill t1_j14ka1l wrote

All that is mute when you shouldn’t have any power on the item being possessed.

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Saint_Genghis t1_j14lbaq wrote

It's absolutely not mute, you just don't want to address the argument.

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fxmldr t1_j14t7mz wrote

John Oliver already did pretty compellingly. It's probably easier to check that out to see why that "argument" is condescending and asinine.

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Saint_Genghis t1_j14ulen wrote

My dude I'm not going to hunt down your own argument for you. Not everyone watches John Oliver.

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fxmldr t1_j15gv7s wrote

You just don't want to address the argument.

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Saint_Genghis t1_j15j0yw wrote

If you make an argument, I'll address it.

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fxmldr t1_j15y80s wrote

Delicious hypocrisy, mmm.

Here's a summary article for ya. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/oct/03/john-oliver-stolen-antiquities-western-museums

I wonder which excuse you'll use not to read it.

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Saint_Genghis t1_j160k6i wrote

What hypocrisy? You told me to go watch HBO. That's an advertisement, not an argument. Why are you so hung up on this? Was it really so hard to post that article in the first place instead of sending people on a fucking scavenger hunt to find out what the hell you were even arguing?

And the only part of that article that seemed to address my point was that the British museum fucked up the Elgin Marbles with a wire brush 90 years ago. I don't know about you but I'm going to take my chances with the institution that accidentally fucked up in a minor way 90 years ago rather than the dictatorship that just had a chaotic revolution a decade ago.

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fxmldr t1_j163y1e wrote

"Scavenger hunt" for the second hit on Google if you search for it. Different standards, I guess.

Oh, I predicted this one. And I think I understand what's behind it. Because, on the one hand, we have actual damage done to stolen items, on the other, the condescending idea that these other people might not do a great job protecting their national treasures. You're shown evidence, and then just dismiss it.

Well, you've put forth no evidence except things that happened in the past and could hypothetically happen again, or acts carried out by terrorists. So...

Maybe you should be making a new argument instead. You know, instead of veiled appeals to subtle racism.

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Saint_Genghis t1_j164r0v wrote

And there it is, the final card. "Have all your arguments utterly failed? Cry 'RACISM' and declare victory."

Have a nice day, and try not to give any dictators priceless artifacts.

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fxmldr t1_j165fer wrote

LMAO, I see you've reached the picking up your toys and going home stage.

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YlangScent t1_j184emx wrote

Do you mean moot? Or did mute get another meaning added to it?

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Azudekai t1_j14z8wm wrote

Preventing the destruction of a irreplaceable, historical human artifact is the best argument there is against returning artifacts to descendants of cultures that made them.

Sure the key to translating hieroglyphs was destroyed, but at least we felt good when we delivered it to the guys who couldn't protect it.

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