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MalcolmLinair t1_j6ojmrx wrote
No way that wasn't done in order to let the dirty cop off the hook; the DA wants to be able to claim to the public that they brought charges, but not piss off the cops.
walkandtalkk OP t1_j6ok6yj wrote
I rarely entertain conspiracy theories, especially when incompetence is a valid alternative. But given this conduct, I'm reserving judgment.
Edit: On second thought, I'm changing my view a bit. It's possible that someone in the DA's office botched this on purpose, but I think it's extremely unlikely that the senior prosecutors on the case, or in the DA's office, were involved. I've explained why in another comment, so you can downvote that one.
PoppinKREAM t1_j6om4gw wrote
I know what you mean.
People should watch We Own This City on HBO. It's a 6 part series about Baltimore's police department's recent corruption scandal. Where an entire unit was acting like a gang selling drugs, robbing from citizens, beating up innocent people and planting evidence. It's concerning how the system was designed to cover it all up, from the rank and file to the union, top brass, and oversight department.
torpedoguy t1_j6ovmhn wrote
Incompetence is a valid alternative on small, individual events. The lady doing your burger most likely didn't forget the pickle in it out of spite.
When there's multiple avenues of verification, control and authorization, it's a different story. Even without that specific DA, the evidence could have been turned over, things could have gone over her head or she could have been ordered to... Instead every single step after they pretended they were going to hold the cop accountable was specifically geared towards letting him walk.
The cop had two defense teams and a defense judge. There was no justice in those halls.
walkandtalkk OP t1_j6p425k wrote
I'm not sure where you're getting that. A single prosecutor could easily be responsible for making sure documents get to opposing counsel. I doubt the DA or his deputy are regularly asking each prosecutor if they remembered to follow their basic obligation to send over evidence.
bananafobe t1_j6ol2kz wrote
It's probably a good policy, with the caveat that a lot of people have learned to feign incompetence in an attempt to exploit that kind of reasonable position.
NarrMaster t1_j6omraa wrote
Hanlon's Razor is being weaponized.
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Torifyme12 t1_j6pj6h8 wrote
>Some of the withheld evidence included videos from surveillance footage, memos from investigators, communications between prosecutors and cellphones from people arrested after Mr. Franco identified them as drug dealers, Mr. Tanner said in an interview. He described the evidence as “potentially exculpatory.”
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From the actual article. You know. The one you posted.
__babyslaughter__ t1_j6ph1vp wrote
In the case of New York cops I’d never be surprised. Remember when one cop decided to report his fellow officers numerous criminal dealings, and they had him committed to a mental hospital?
EdisonLightbulb t1_j6p8rv0 wrote
Start by checking the re-assigned attorney's and her family's financial records.
shogi_x t1_j6on8k8 wrote
Nonsense conspiracy theory. Her law career is fucked. Think about how much she's just lost in lifetime earnings from this very public firing. No one is paying that kind of money to get one shitty cop off the hook.
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Did y'all even read the story? They intentionally withheld this evidence because it would have helped the defense.
>Some of the withheld evidence included videos from surveillance footage, memos from investigators, communications between prosecutors and cellphones from people arrested after Mr. Franco identified them as drug dealers, Mr. Tanner said in an interview. He described the evidence as “potentially exculpatory.”
>Mr. Tanner said that prosecutors in court blamed their failure to turn over evidence on “gross negligence,” but said that he did not trust that their actions had not been willful.
They did it to win the case, not lose. And when they got caught, they said "oops, it was an accident".
walkandtalkk OP t1_j6opjjb wrote
No reputable law firm is going to take on someone who was publicly fired after being named by the New York Times as grossly botching a crucial case and letting a serious (alleged) criminal off scot-free.
Plus, she may well have major problems with the bar.
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PEVEI t1_j6ot6jx wrote
This sub takes healthy skepticism about law enforcement and feeds it through a fever dream, this is actually pretty mild by contrast. As you say though, this is the end of more than one career, done in a way that was always going to become public. If you were going to tank a case, this is not the way a sane person would do it.
But good luck trying to tell that to people here.
DeaddyRuxpin t1_j6pgggi wrote
There is some serious irony in a corrupt cop case being screwed up because the prosecutor was corrupt.
open_door_policy t1_j6opmyr wrote
> No one is paying that kind of money to get one shitty cop off the hook.
How many shitty cops would threaten murder if she didn't fuck the case up though?
shogi_x t1_j6oqzc9 wrote
How many people would threaten to kill her for letting him walk?
rikki-tikki-deadly t1_j6otcbs wrote
A threat from this guy or one of his criminal associates (by which I mean "fellow cops") is a lot more credible than the words of a few angry redditors.
shogi_x t1_j6oznqt wrote
Who said anything about angry redditors? At least 320 people were convicted on cases he was involved in. That's a long list of people with motive.
PEVEI t1_j6otvh4 wrote
So now your conspiracy theory is that cops threatened an ADA and forced her to end her career, and instead of reporting those threats and making her career, she submitted. Now everyone involved is sworn to eternal silence, despite public pressure.
It's so simple, how could no one else have thought of this!
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Asleep-Somewhere-404 t1_j6ox8qy wrote
The money or a body bag. It’s not that fine a line.
I’d say there is more to this than “I just forgot to send it”.
Metraxis t1_j6phbw3 wrote
This is New York, not Juarez. "Plata o plomo" is a little far-fetched.
PyramidClub t1_j6p6kt2 wrote
She followed orders.
Her boss was the same guy who tanked the case against Trump.
rikki-tikki-deadly t1_j6ol6r8 wrote
Probably salivating at the prospect of having to disband the "Police Accountability Unit", too.
MonkeyDaddy4 t1_j6ok8f1 wrote
Disbar them all! Then charge them as accessories after the fact!
toebandit t1_j6p0al3 wrote
We wish this is how our justice system worked. But it ain’t and this is how they will continue to win (not lose, in this situation).
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noncongruent t1_j6ot9r1 wrote
Not to mention that all the people convicted with the cop's fake evidence now have no way to pursue exoneration and expungement.
sum1won t1_j6ovv0j wrote
This is false. Expungement does not require that the detective be convicted.
EvilGreebo t1_j6p4m6u wrote
Sure wouldn't have hurt, though.
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UltralisKingD t1_j6ojzz1 wrote
That really sucks, if he was actually guilty...
Thats a very dangerous situation, not only does he get off scott free, the people that were possibly framed get no justice, and any future issues could cause more people to lose their freedom.
Prosecuter should be fired, probably end up being a shitty public defender, defending framed people... bad, bad, bad....
walkandtalkk OP t1_j6okt68 wrote
Fortunately, according to the New York Post, over 100 convictions based on the detective's work or testimony have been vacated (https://nypost.com/2023/01/31/manhattan-da-abruptly-drops-case-against-crooked-cop-joseph-franco/amp/).
Still, this failure denies a lot of people justice. And it will embolden supporters of abusive police to claim that public accountability efforts are just an anti-cop witch hunt.
themeatbridge t1_j6ot7k8 wrote
He was definitely guilty. Still, he deserves a fair trial, and he didn't get one.
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alphabeticdisorder t1_j6omdx1 wrote
>The case's lead prosecutor was fired.
Fired from the case, but the story doesn't necessarily indicate she was fired from the DA's office.
>The agency immediately removed the prosecutor handling the case, Stephanie Minogue, from her position as the deputy chief of its Police Accountability Unit, which reports directly to the district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg.
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galacticwonderer t1_j6ov4og wrote
Why don’t we have department of Justice investigate cops. So dumb
shogi_x t1_j6p4qez wrote
They do, when they violate federal laws.
sb_747 t1_j6p3tz8 wrote
Usually the 10th amendment.
galacticwonderer t1_j6pck8z wrote
That sounds important. Any other ways?
mymar101 t1_j6oveg6 wrote
Did I wander into a Night Court disguised as real life?
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wabashcanonball t1_j6pcmfr wrote
Someone in the prosecutor’s office was threatened or paid to throw the case, maybe both.
shogi_x t1_j6ol100 wrote
Once again highlighting that shitty prosecutors are just as much of a problem as shitty cops.
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Did y'all even read the story? They intentionally withheld this evidence because it would have helped the defense.
>Some of the withheld evidence included videos from surveillance footage, memos from investigators, communications between prosecutors and cellphones from people arrested after Mr. Franco identified them as drug dealers, Mr. Tanner said in an interview. He described the evidence as “potentially exculpatory.”
>Mr. Tanner said that prosecutors in court blamed their failure to turn over evidence on “gross negligence,” but said that he did not trust that their actions had not been willful.
They did it to win the case, not lose. And when they got caught, they said "oops, it was an accident".
SimmaDownNa t1_j6omhy4 wrote
DAs need cops in order to get re-elected. Can’t get convictions without arrests. To think that a DA or their office will ever truly hold cops accountable is a fairy tale.
madhi19 t1_j6oudm9 wrote
This is not how you tank a case on purpose.
SimmaDownNa t1_j6ovaoy wrote
You'll have a tough time convincing me that these repeated failures by career prosecutors were simply negligence, but I welcome you to try to make your case, rather than simply making an assertion.
shogi_x t1_j6p1swc wrote
Did you even read the story? They intentionally withheld this evidence because it would have helped the defense.
>Some of the withheld evidence included videos from surveillance footage, memos from investigators, communications between prosecutors and cellphones from people arrested after Mr. Franco identified them as drug dealers, Mr. Tanner said in an interview. He described the evidence as “potentially exculpatory.”
>Mr. Tanner said that prosecutors in court blamed their failure to turn over evidence on “gross negligence,” but said that he did not trust that their actions had not been willful.
They did it to win the case, not lose. And when they got caught, they said "oops, it was an accident".
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madhi19 t1_j6owix5 wrote
Oh no I don't claim it is. You want to ask other questions. Why was somebody clearly incompetent assigned to this case? Who did that? That's the real fix here.
sb_747 t1_j6p4l8n wrote
It wasn’t incompetence. It was corruption.
Just corruption to convict him not exonerate him.
You can much more subtly tank a case than this if that was the goal.
SimmaDownNa t1_j6oxo8e wrote
It's absolutely comical levels of "incompetence." I don't buy it.
madhi19 t1_j6oyr35 wrote
I bet whoever assigned the case expected her to fuck up, and lose. Just probably not to that level.
Ginger_Anarchy t1_j6p80w8 wrote
> Once again highlighting that shitty prosecutors are just as much of a problem as shitty cops.
I'll go one step further and say we wouldn't have nearly as much of a shitty cop problem if we dealt with our shitty prosecutor problem. Shitty prosecutors are what enable bad cops, they let them get away with bad actions, they accept bad evidence and compel bad testimony, and they often give the bad cops their marching orders. Bad prosecutors are the reason bad cops feel like they can sleep guilt free at night and there will be no consequences for their actions.
Has_hog t1_j6ou9gy wrote
95% of trials are plea deals. The system would literally fall apart if everyone took it to trial. So yeah, they totally need cops to operate — and they know that perjury among cops is relatively high
earhere t1_j6okh73 wrote
How much you wanna bet that they purposefully held the evidence back in order to get this judgment to protect the corrupt cop? The fired attorney is just going to go to a law firm for more money.
Chi1lip3ppers t1_j6om65n wrote
You’d be surprised how many inept people are in important positions due to political connections. One of the DA’s in our area is maybe the worst attorney in the whole district but she was just hired as a DA because of who her husband is.
I could totally see her fucking up a case like this. Nothing political other than her having a job she has no business having, which is probably the case here.
I work in court
madhi19 t1_j6ovi59 wrote
If you want to look at who deliberately tanked that case you just ask who assigned it to somebody clearly incompetent to run it? Every organization has disposable stooges to throw away when the shit hit the fan. Somebody that you can reliably count on the fuck up even the smallest task. You want a project to die, put that guy in charge.
Chi1lip3ppers t1_j6p90ji wrote
Not everything’s a conspiracy theory man. Yes, it fits the narrative better if the fix was in, but that’s highly unlikely to be what actually took place.
Not saying stuff like this doesn’t happen, but I almost 100% guarantee you nobody cares about this detective in the DAs office. Certainly not enough to throw one of their own peoples career away over it.
joemeteorite8 t1_j6orj3p wrote
Is her husband a cop by chance? I want to say you’re in my district but I’m sure this happens everywhere
shogi_x t1_j6omao9 wrote
Not a chance. She's been publicly fired for repeat ethical violations that tanked a major case. She'll be lucky if she can salvage a law career at all, let alone recoup the millions less in lifetime earnings. No one is paying her off with that kind of money for one shitty cop.
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agnicho t1_j6phd01 wrote
This is what corruption looks like…
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walkandtalkk OP t1_j6oiui2 wrote
A New York judge abruptly, and permanently, dismissed over a dozen charges against a former NYPD detective, who was accused of fabricating evidence in criminal cases, after prosecutors admitted that they had repeatedly failed to turn over evidence to the defendant's lawyer before trial.
The prosecutors, who worked for the Manhattan district attorney's Police Accountability Unit, apparently told the court that the failure to turn over evidence was the result of "gross negligence," rather than intentional misconduct. Either way, the judge dismissed the charges "with prejudice," meaning the prosecutor cannot bring those same charges again.
Because of the statute of limitations, it may not be possible to bring any more charges against the defendant.
The case's lead prosecutor was fired.
Edit to add: It appears that the lead prosecutor was removed from her role as deputy director of the Manhattan DA's Public Accountability Unit, but that she remains an employee of the DA's office. Speculating, it may require a lot of procedure to outright fire a public employee in New York, so they may still be going through the procedural requirements to do so.