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Ceratisa t1_j5glhuc wrote
Didn't Poland say something like
We'll do it without permission.
jayfeather31 t1_j5gnvtl wrote
Poland and Russia really don't like each other, so that's not surprising.
Zombie_Harambe t1_j5j08ep wrote
Polands entire history is basically being fucked by Russia, Prussia, or both.
The American flag is red for liberty, white for freedom, and blue for justice.
The polish flag is red for the blood of Russians they plan to kill. White for the bones of Russians they plan to kill.
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Bladye t1_j5iyk7n wrote
Ukraine confirmed that they started training their soldiers in Poland on Leopards
Charr03 t1_j5jg8j2 wrote
If I understand it correctly, they only started after the German minister of defense recommended them to do that.
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and_dont_blink t1_j5klbsq wrote
>The simple truth is that Poland hasn't even asked for export permissions yet,
Because Germany has been extremely clear it wouldn't give permission. It even started a whole program where member countries could send older Soviet tanks in exchange for German tanks, but would not allow German tanks into Ukraine. This only started after public pressure to send tanks couldn't be ignored.
This fell apart when Germany wasn't following through, and Poland finally said they'd setup a coalition of willing partners to send in tanks, get Ukraine training and the supplies and repairs/maintenance they would need. The USA said they'd send Abrams tanks to countries that sent their leopards, because Germany is unwilling and unable. This isn't ideal as the continent and Ukraine are not setup for leopards, but Germany isn't giving a lot of choice and many, many Ukranians will die without them.
> and Germany has repeatedly stated that would give permission..
This isn't true funwithtentacles. Please provide some links that aren't from the last day or so? You won't be able to, because Germany has been extremely clear they wouldn't allow it.
I don't understand the German attempts to blatantly lie and rewrite history about these things, as history is not going to be any kinder to their role in this unless there are serioys changes.
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MusicURlooking4 t1_j5i4ris wrote
> We'll do it without permission.
What you have to understand is our country is being ruled at the moment by the cynical and dishonest populists, they are as anti-German as they are anti-Russian and their goal is to make Germany look bad first and to send the tanks second.
We have this saying here in Poland, "to cook two pieces of meat on a single fire" and that's what they are trying to do now, sadly it is the innocent Ukrainians who are paying with their lives for this disgusting political games ;_;
Ceratisa t1_j5iadgo wrote
We have a similar idiom in English. "To kill two birds with one stone." I agree fully though, it's a true shame when politicking gets in the way of actual good.
H1ld3gunst t1_j5h7ogr wrote
Yeah, but why? If they‘re serious, they could just ask.
PenguinSunday t1_j5ioi6n wrote
Why do they require permission? Is Poland beholden to Germany?
Stitch0815 t1_j5iqaba wrote
When buying arms from germany the contract states you need permission from the German goverment to resell or give them away.
PenguinSunday t1_j5iqhae wrote
Thank you for explaining :)
Pixel_CCOWaDN t1_j5k5bd9 wrote
BTW this is not really exclusive to Germany. Almost all countries will require you to get their permission before you re-export their weapons.
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Lor360 t1_j5hhjhd wrote
Ukraine getting new tanks, meanwhile, Russia is spending the last of its missile supply on performative strikes for internal propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8K2Wi1asr0
I don't know what they think they will hit those tanks with when they arrive.
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NecromanticSolution t1_j5jhncl wrote
Poland says a lot. Mostly it's grandstanding.
If they do it without permission the sole reason for that is, they did not ask.
quietthomas t1_j5ma1p8 wrote
German is on the wrong side of Poland (geographically) to be blocking things.
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