spamky23 t1_jakxy8s wrote
Reply to comment by Dark_Delusion in Purple Heart awarded to deputy in fatal shooting during middle school pickup prompts backlash by SLaSZT
Purple Heart is for military injured in combat, I also didn't know cops gave these out but it wouldn't surprise me if they thought they were also military and copying them.
Lemesplain t1_jal0pk4 wrote
Cops “invented” their own Purple Heart in 2013. And you don’t even need to be injured for it.
> In addition, this award may be conferred if an injury was averted by the wearing of body armor.
zarfle2 t1_jal4lwh wrote
Is there an award for "Impressive de-escalation" or "Showing basic humanity" or "Excellence in the field of NOT killing an unarmed person".
Now those are awards that I could get behind.
ShadowDragon8685 t1_jaliu87 wrote
> Is there an award for "Impressive de-escalation" or "Showing basic humanity" or "Excellence in the field of NOT killing an unarmed person".
Those awards should be a badge, on your chest, that you get to keep wearing.
Well, maybe "Impressive de-escalation" should be worth something special. Talking someone with a weapon out of suicide-by-cop or out of homicide or something, that should get an award. Maybe authorization to wear a bowler hat on duty, or a shining silver neck-tie-with-sunglasses-shaped medal.
repeat4EMPHASIS t1_jalr2x7 wrote
>Talking someone with a weapon out of suicide-by-cop or out of homicide or something, that should get an award.
2MuchRGB t1_jam36ee wrote
Shooting someone innocent: paid holidays. Not shooting someone innocent: get fired.
We are so proud of you America.
ShadowDragon8685 t1_jalr5om wrote
Yeah. I am aware.
Ray_Pingeau t1_jamzbc9 wrote
You shouldn’t get an award for doing your job properly unless participation awards are suddenly a good thing
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Jampine t1_jalhkh3 wrote
They had to scrap the scheme, as over a decade they where unable to hand out a single award.
jamesnollie88 t1_jaltdtc wrote
If bad cops get promoted then winning one of those awards would probably be career suicide if they existed.
Radioactiveglowup t1_jala8vs wrote
The thin Stolen Valor line, I see.
Cop culture is an embarrassing joke.
ShadowDragon8685 t1_jaliwl6 wrote
The only police officer who should be wearing a purple heart is one who earned that heart wearing green instead of blue. (Well, unless he was in the Navy, or USCG or USAF I guess. Point is, it should only be worn by someone who catches some enemy fire in contact with the nation's enemies, not the nation's citizens.)
BNI_sp t1_jalc8uf wrote
As I understand it, the US military has very strict rules on granting awards to protect their integrity. I am surprised that police can actually name a medal 'purple heart'.
Edit: read the story. Who are these police officers? Completely sick.
ShadowDragon8685 t1_jalizcx wrote
> As I understand it, the US military has very strict rules on granting awards to protect their integrity. I am surprised that police can actually name a medal 'purple heart'.
Yes, but they can't actually stop someone else from handing out a facsimilie award as long as it's not at any point represented as being the genuine article.
BNI_sp t1_jalmpt1 wrote
That's surprising. And totally unfair to the recipients of the real medal - especially the purple heart.
ShadowDragon8685 t1_jalr0wh wrote
We take the right of free speech very seriously here. Perhaps too seriously; or rather, we permit it to be abused in manners that allow some "Exercising their rights of free speech" to infringe upon others free speech - or other, even-more-serious rights, like life!
But no, it's not even illegal for the cops - or anyone else - to hand out outright fraudulent purple hearts, as long as those wearing them do not fraudulently misrepresent themselves as having earned the genuine article with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit.
Emberlung t1_jam39mg wrote
If it's even thought about in regards to his court case then it's for tangible benefit (of association with the REAL Purple Heart award) and as soon as they refer to it even tangentially they should be opened up for massive litigation.
ShadowDragon8685 t1_jam45h6 wrote
Nope, because the act specifies the specific military awards which it is illegal to fraudulently claim to have earned for tangible benefit.
This is a different "Purple Heart." Which he did "legitimately" earn, by the standard of "the pigs can give themselves whatever medals they wish."
BNI_sp t1_jalrifx wrote
>We take the right of free speech very seriously here.
I know. But there is also brand protection. If you can't steal a commercial brand name, I am surprised that one can take a free ride on a military medal.
Edit: it seems I am out of touch with situation given a supreme court decision in 2005.
I shake my head and shut up.
ShadowDragon8685 t1_jalrt6q wrote
> I know. But there is also brand protection. If you can't steal a commercial brand name, I am surprised that one can take a free ride on a military medal.
Funnily enough, works of the United States government (including the military) are public domain.
Also, this would be like saying "I work for Pepsi, and I got this nifty 'best salesman of the year' badge back in '17." That's not a crime unless you're doing it to try to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit. That could mean trying to get a job based on fraudulently misrepresenting your credentials, or trying to claim some benefit (either governmental or not) offered to veterans (or Pepsi Salesmen of the Year), such as free/reduced meals at restaurants, or being stood for alcohol at a bar by someone lapping up your stories of elite Pepsi salesmanship; it could stretch as far as getting sued by someone who had sex with you, then claims that they would not have done so if they had known you were not what you were pretending to be, which would be an interesting court case.
valeramaniuk t1_janp4be wrote
>right of free speech
>
> Perhaps too seriously;
Go fuck yourself.
ShadowDragon8685 t1_janpcl4 wrote
Yeah, no.
Maybe if we'd cracked down on the fucking Nazis when they decided to march through Skokie back in '77, they wouldn't have been parading their fucking swastikas and slavery banners through the Capitol building on 6 January of last year.
valeramaniuk t1_janpskm wrote
The only fucking Nazi here is you. Your kind loves to gag people.
ShadowDragon8685 t1_janpzkj wrote
Oh look! Hey, look! We've found the Nazi with his amazing argument of "No you!"
valeramaniuk t1_janq7td wrote
Right, and it's you.
Parading with a flag doesn't make a Nazi; physically silencing other people does.
I'll go wash my hands after talking to you.
shalafi71 t1_jap2e53 wrote
Parade that flag around me you goddamned fascist, see what happens. What is it you filth say? "Fuck around and find out."? I am game, all in. "Gagging" would be the kindest result I can think of.
"We have hateful views and speech, so what? Why are we being cancelled?!"
You're being cancelled because polite society finds you to be vermin.
Now, would you like to talk about current Republican legislation to limit the 1A? Money says you do not want to talk about that particular cancer. Fucking coward.
trucorsair t1_jap3m7y wrote
Just going to drop this here, in the US military the Purple Heart is also called “the enemy marksmanship medal”. I have one from an IED that almost blew my hand off, luckily the shrapnel hit my metal watch band, tore it all to hell but it took the bulk of the impact, only ended up with six or seven stitches.
RheaButt t1_jap24bv wrote
Cops fucking love to cosplay as military while being too lazy to actually join
BNI_sp t1_jap3963 wrote
To be fair, there are cops which are ex-military. But in general, I think there is a part that want to cosplay. See for example the piece that John Oliver did a couple of years back on the militarization of the police.
Edit: But even worse are the Kyle R.s of the world that want to be tough shooters, but are too lazy to join and get wet, cold and dirty in the mud.
RheaButt t1_jap3glc wrote
Yeah there's definitely a fair few who are just carrying over into another government job so they can work out the rest of their years until pension
BNI_sp t1_jap5b2p wrote
That's ok, I guess. Worse are those that think they are the big elite fighters but do not have adequate training and don't realize that stopping people for traffic violations is probably not the same as hunting terrorists.
BreakingtheBreeze t1_japd5kv wrote
Evidently you have never had a paper cut while handing out a particularly tough parking ticket...in the rain
ShadowDragon8685 t1_jalinxv wrote
That is a fucking disgrace.
A police officer should only ever get any award to that effect if it was inflicted by an armed enemy of the United States conducting actions intended in some way or another to bring about the downfall of the United States.
Killed or seriously wounded by a criminal's actions in the line of duty? Okay, sure, something, a blue shield perhaps. But a purple heart? No, not from criminal actions, not from the thunderfucking actions of your thunderfucked pals in blue.
That is for Americans who have met the enemy in combat and taken fire. (There's a reason soldiers refer to it as 'The Enemy Marksmanship Badge'.) Not an opportunistic or desperate criminal.
UltimateGammer t1_jam4ebb wrote
That really seems to spit in the face of the actual purple heart to me.
libginger73 t1_jangxg2 wrote
They even hand them out when their feelings are hurt!
LeibnizThrowaway t1_jalg50v wrote
That's just funny.
--zaxell-- t1_jaou417 wrote
Wait, you can just invent an award that already exists? I'ma get me an EGOT tonight.
--zaxell-- t1_jaozb12 wrote
You can also get it for being shot in Call of Duty.
BreakingtheBreeze t1_japcnew wrote
Turning it into what we in the navy called a gedunk medal. Yeah, I was on the other coast when we took on Grenada.
BudsosHuman t1_jakzbet wrote
You said the important part. They are award for COMBAT only. By result of ENEMY action. That tells you how f'ed up our police view of the populace is.
SmallQuasar t1_jaleesw wrote
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
- Admiral Adama
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