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actualtext t1_j9r6z4b wrote

> The most common types of arrests were for license violations and possession of a forged instrument, which is often brought against people who violate license plate rules.

Great.

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Croweslen t1_j9razvg wrote

That possession of a forged instrument is for those fake license plates that this sub complains about.

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Warpedme t1_j9tj1eh wrote

Yup, that one detail made me perfectly ok with everything in the title and article. I'm not normally a fan of our police gangs but the evidence points to them just doing their jobs in this instance. Which is a nice change from playing candy crush while crimes are committed right in front of them.

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[deleted] t1_j9s1e5i wrote

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Croweslen t1_j9s26uw wrote

When somones arrested snd their car is taken for evidence. Its held at the precinct until its either released or taken to the impound lot. You're just automatically assuming its all cops personal cars to fit your narrative.

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_neutral_person t1_j9tjs3q wrote

Bro they have NYPD badges on them. Don't be coy.

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Croweslen t1_j9tkebc wrote

NYPD badges? Must have slipped my mind that cops just throw their badges on their cars when they park. As a form of showing force and dominance to the citizens.

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MillennialNightmare t1_j9tujvd wrote

I mean they already park on sidewalks obstructing public space. If a car is doing that, outside a precinct, with a thin blue line sticker/placard/PBA card in the window it doesn’t take a detective to figure out who owns that car.

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_neutral_person t1_ja16ymf wrote

Need a picture cause I have one. Plate was blocked with them.

Edit: Not the actual badge but one that looks like an FOP badge.

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PorchHonky t1_j9uxltv wrote

At this point, the word 'narrative' is a narrative itself.

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BakedBread65 t1_j9s3jd7 wrote

Is that an arrestable offense like forging a public instrument is?

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Rottimer t1_j9rfqii wrote

Seems like they're ignoring all the ones that I see driving in from NJ, LI, and often found parked outside their own precincts.

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Sickpup831 t1_j9rq55u wrote

You personally see cops driving in from both LI and NJ and then watch them park outside their own precincts? Wow, you get around.

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9rzrdt wrote

Right. They need to start pulling over white people for that too. Maybe that's the reason they haven't made a dent in it. They're assessing the driver first. I was gonna pull that guy over for his printed out fake NJ plate, but he's white so it must be legit and we just read it wrong.

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Thick-Top-1353 t1_j9s1z55 wrote

Perhaps not every demographic drives with fake plates at the same rate.

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9s52rd wrote

You're right. It's mostly white people. That's why searching minorities at a 90% rate hasn't put a dent in it. Pull over and arrest some white people and the problem will go away pretty quickly. White people are pretty skittish. Set an example. They'll fall in line.

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xiirri t1_j9s63m0 wrote

Seek help.

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9s7vnr wrote

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

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xiirri t1_j9s825x wrote

Ya cool, live in whatever weird fucked up delusion you need to.

Hard reality, NYPD is majority minority. I have no idea why these stats are what they are. Possible explanation could in part be ride share drivers are more targeted, way more likely to be a minority, more likely to break driving laws.

But nah keep living in the fucked up delusion of absolute certainty and weird race baiting creepiness.

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9sao0g wrote

Okay officer. It doesn't matter what the makeup of NYPD is. 90% of drivers who were searched are minorities. What percentage of drivers in NYC overall are minorities?

And I'll give you a task. The cops that murdered Tyre Nichols were black. Show me a video of cops of any color murdering a white person in a similar way. Not accidentally killing a junkie who is fucking them up. Just straight up murder like Nichols. One example.

Cops have a color. It doesn't matter what they were before. It's not white. It not black. Or Latino. It's blue. And blue hates black and brown. 90% in the OP should have told you.

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xiirri t1_j9sbs0q wrote

Dude seriously you dont think unarmed white people are murdered by police? Did you ever think to look this up before posting such a crazy ignorant theory.

Police immunity is bullshit. But you realize there are 330 million people in the USA? There are millions of police interactions every single day that are non violent. Only a handful of interactions where the suspect is unarmed are deadly per year.

Every death is a tragedy but this isn't an epidemic.

Every single day we are possibly going to see the worst thing that happens in the US due to the internet and virality, the relationship between news and clicks and revenue. You are taking that ONE thing that happens and acting as if its reality.

TWO SECONDS OF SEARCHING:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X4PUwrq8tA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ooa7wOKHhg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj7JQ_AXgmY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o72sF51RkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNKbOiexUL4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bpgyJH9-1o

https://gamerant.com/ryan-whitaker-az-shooting/

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9senwj wrote

We are getting somewhere now. And I appreciate you finding these. The first is 5 years old and the second 2 years old. So you do have to go a ways back to find a person of the majority getting killed unjustly. Since the oldest video you posted, how many black people were killed by police? Since the newest?

It's not the internet and virality that is the problem though. It's societally acceptable for a regular citizen to kill another regular citizen unjustly. People are never going to be perfect. It will always be both societally acceptable and sad when one random person murders another.

But we should hold police officers to a higher standard because we hire them to protect society. They are hired by and represent the state. When you put the badge on, you aren't just the guy who got in a bar fight last week. You are a representative of the people. You're there to protect them. Both the 6 white people you posted and the 100s of black people you didn't. You signed up to protect and serve. You did not sign up to be an invading military. If you want that, join the marines. But the truth is that the marines, when invading Afghanistan, understood what protect and serve means better than NYPD in their own city.

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xiirri t1_j9sfatp wrote

Wait im sorry what lol, i found you a buncha clips INSTANTLY that you swore didnt exist and you said they are too old?

The statistics are out there, MORE WHITE PEOPLE are murdered by police. Just not by % of the population.

A big boy like yourself can start looking these easily findable statistics on their own from now on, especially before they spout off on the internet.

Its righteous to be upset about a terrible murder that takes place by people who are sworn to protect and want to hold the police accountable. But its fucking stupid and child brained to watch a couple of murder porn videos that make headlines every year and extrapolate broader trends.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unarmed_African_Americans_killed_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States#2022

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9sfugd wrote

And you really are a cop aren't you? You know, you don't have to defend everything other cops do, right? And in fact, that's the biggest problem with you guys. Here's a simple statement to help you understand. You are part of the community and you are not an invading army. Can you act like it?

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ehsurfskate t1_j9t93lc wrote

I don’t think I have ever seen someone coping harder on Reddit than who you are arguing with lol.

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plump_helmet_addict t1_j9tkims wrote

>You already know I'm older than you. And you probably already know I've seen the world. Well, 21 countries. 34 states. Most of them when I was really broke. And you also probably know I've had relative success compared to you.

And yet you're still just a whacky redditor who can't be taken seriously.

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WonderingInane t1_j9s9zzm wrote

You do realize 90% is a ridiculously high amount. Nowhere close to that amount of the NYPD is white themselves. So you’re saying other races are in on it? For it to be that high they would have to be… or… maybe the truth that some groups do more of certain crimes is the unfortunate truth that you are incapable of accepting. Instead let’s promote conspiracy and hate instead. Smart.

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9scxdk wrote

90% is the search rate of NYPD. 90% of their searches are minorities. What percentage of drivers do you think are minorities?

What I said is most people driving with fake plates are white. And most drivers overall are white. If you want to solve that problem, you need to actually confront the main culprits.

I can also tell you this. I am white and I could drive around in a clown car with no plates and the cop i was replying to isn't going to do shit. Part of that is inherent bias but the other part is because he expects white people to be connected. And maybe we are. That's something I haven't done the math on. I have a DEA card because one of my best friends is a detective. I also know judges. And I don't even come from anywhere around here. The white people in NYC almost all know at least one NYPD very well. And you know, the last time I got pulled over at all in NYC was with way out of state plates a long time ago.

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WonderingInane t1_j9tdy4s wrote

You’re a straight up conspiracy theorist. Where is your data on white people with fake plates? Somehow you’re 100% sure that white people do more of the crime they just get away with it because the police are afraid they’re connected? Are you seriously that eager to believe in a racist agenda? Every white person knows a cop? You just pulled that out of your ass based on your own experience with no actual data to support it. You know a detective, you know ‘judges’? Sounds like you’re the problem you describing but you think all white people are like you based on delusion alone

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9tulan wrote

Where's your data on me being "100% sure?"

90% of people searched are black or brown. That's the article. One doesn't have to extrapolate any other data to see racism there.

And sure, I'm the problem in that I don't get pulled over at all. Not much I can do about that though, is there?

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WonderingInane t1_j9tvvkm wrote

You said “most people driving with fake plates are white”. What makes you so sure? You seem pretty confident. Maybe it’s just you, and not getting pulled over is your confirmation bias. Turn yourself in.

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9unnvd wrote

Observation makes me sure. And ghost plates are still all over town in pretty much the same numbers after the NYPD crack down on black and latino drivers. And why would I turn myself in for anything? The difference between me and you is that I acknowledge white privilege exists while you pretend it doesn't. Whether you've taken advantage of that privilege actively or passively has always been up to you, but if you are white, you have absolutely taken advantage of it.

And not getting pulled over being confirmation bias is laughable. There is plenty of demographic data on police stop rates. Driving while black is an actual thing whether you want to pretend it isn't or not.

And not only are people with fake, obscured, or no plates mostly white, they're also mostly cops. It's legitimately the easiest "crime" to actually stop if cops actually wanted to stop it. It's the most transparent violation that it's possible to commit short of open carrying a gun through Times Square. Yet it still happens.

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GrapplerBJJ t1_j9yhd7e wrote

You really think the population that actually has generational wealth, and can afford to pay toll fees everyday is even gonna waste time going to some shady fake plate dealer? Or even bothering knowing what it is? Reality check, follow your own evidence.... poverty = crime.

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9yl79e wrote

There are poor white people. Also, fake plates isn't a crime committed by poor people. It's a crime committed by lower middle class people. Poor people in and around NYC don't normally even have cars.

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GrapplerBJJ t1_j9yptla wrote

I thought we all know better to adjust per rate. PoC are significantly more in poverty than white people. If just scraping by is lower middle class, then sure. And what race Dominates lower middle class?/More than likely, they can't afford to pay tolls and their bills more? Would it be Latino or white? You're really being obtuse here. Usually, this conversation would have attempted to shift blame back to the "system" that there's some form of malpractice at this point and not focus on statistics. But that's the reality of most of these studies, at least from what I've read, they're all "inconclusive," and most of our data comes from institutions and their actions, not the perpetrators. There's no form of document that details the specific small details of what a driver did that might of caught an officers attention. Undocumented infractions, like swerving the lane, speeding and etc, prior to arrest. All we have is a pattern that, for the most part, can be cited back to the reality of classicism and can infer that the disparity could be due to racism

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9yylaq wrote

Who is obtuse? What is the rate of car ownership in NYC and urban NJ? Poor people aren't driving around much here. This isn't Mississippi. A car is an unnecessary luxury item here.

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GrapplerBJJ t1_j9z2h25 wrote

Not if you're tied down to working in the city, plenty of working class people who live IN the city have cars. You may not see it from transplants from other states but New York is still the Mecca for work. If we can understand that there's a definite population that exists between poor and middle class, who can own a car out of necessity/want (driving kids to and from programs, traveling out of state) but are still living pay check to pay check....we can circle back to original point. Who's more likely to not want to pay that toll bill? 🙄. A population that's more likely to be poor or well off?

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9z6q8t wrote

The disconnect is that you keep switching to the word poor. Working class people in and around NYC aren't poor. There's a 15 dollar minimum wage and under the table work usually pays more per hour than that. If you are driving to get to work in NYC, you are not poor. If you were poor, you would take transit because it's much cheaper.

You think day laborers are poor? They can pull in up to 80k a year and pay no taxes. Now if you work retail for $15 an hour and can only get 20 hours a week, you may be poor, but you also aren't driving to McD's to work that job.

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GrapplerBJJ t1_j9z3ejx wrote

Like it's crazy to me, being Dominican and being in the heights, you're coming to me crazy like I don't see the Dominicans in dyckman with tinted out cars, fake plates doing w.e they want and always seeing Karen with her 70% tint rated windows without a care in the world driving around the boogie side of Inwood. You really think white people give a fuck about a toll that much when they live in Westchester or Warwick or some shit? Earning 130k? All I ever hear is them finding ways to "not work" in the city.

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9z5dul wrote

130k? Lol. 130k is wealthy. It isn't lower middle class. And all white people are rich and live in Westchester? The trades are full of working class white people. So are the NYPD and FDNY. Lol if you think every white person is Donald Trump Jr.

By the way, black median income in Queens is higher than white median income and has been since the mid 90s.

https://apnews.com/article/90f4279c3a4098e031dbaff8a2b76764

https://www.planetizen.com/node/21423

Let me put it differently. The Dominicans who have those cars aren't poor. Neither are you. Poor people aren't scamming tolls. They're jumping turnstiles.

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Sickpup831 t1_j9ratee wrote

The next line is even more ridiculous.

“In contrast, police made just 631 arrests for second-degree criminal possession of a loaded weapon, accounting for about 4% of arrests.”

JUST 631?? That’s like 2 guns a day for the whole year! That seems like a hell of a lot to me from just traffic stops.

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pluralofjackinthebox t1_j9s0kkw wrote

They kind of need to tell me how many license violation arrests they made if they’re going to “contrast” them with firearm arrests.

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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9s0im7 wrote

It would be a lot in London. But NYC is still America. 2 per day is surprisingly low, IMO. How many drivers in Texas do you think have a loaded weapon in their vehicle? Way more than NYC. The difference is that they can do that legally. But we don't have a border between NYC and Texas. In fact, if every car with a fake Texas dealer plate in NYC brought in one gun, you already have way more than 631.

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Sickpup831 t1_j9t6kmv wrote

Two a day solely off traffic stops is a lot no matter where you’re from. And I have no idea what point you’re trying to make with the Texas stuff.

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Internal_Ring_121 t1_j9teen7 wrote

They probably miss 20 if they only get 2 . And it’s not a lot for the biggest police force in the world

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Sickpup831 t1_j9tir2w wrote

Remember, this is only guns found as a result of traffic enforcement. Not every gun they’ve found or specifically looked for for the year, which I think the number is close to 5,000.

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