Submitted by ThoolooExpress t3_10utmla in nyc
I don't use a placard but as someone who is considering driving in to work 5 days a week because I don't want to deal with a combined 2+ hour commuter every day, you know what would deincentivize me? More affordable housing closer to and IN Manhattan! I would be more than happy to take public transportation if it only took me 25-40mins to get to work.
It really feels like nyc is becoming one of the stupidest places on earth for basically anyone who isn't loaded
Feels? Is.
Yeah, memes always add a lot to any conversation.
It's ridiculous to act like the cost of living increases and the wealth disparity issues haven't metastasized to an insane degree over the last few years. It really hasn't "always" been this way, at all. But yeah, sick meme.
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you mean the new LIRR station in grand central didn't cut your commute by half?
sigh, i wish they'd just lay down more stations in places that don't have stations instead of just adding on to grand central...
We need to do projects big and small. It's important to do grand decades-long projects like GCM, upgrading tunnels under the Hudson, etc.
no, a grand decades-long project would've been extending subway stations to east queens proper as well as connecting brooklyn to queens outside of literally just astoria. maybe even giving poor staten island a subway period and north bronx more love. Maybe putting walls and doors on stations so people don't accidentally fall into the tracks or fully updating a signal system that's so ancient that they literally raid their own museum for replacement parts.
GCM was a goddamn shitshow and waste of money. It went over budget by about $8 billion dollars and the pure interest on the amount of money that needed to be borrowed will be paid off by my grandkids' kids and onwards at this point. what's worse is that it could've been avoided entirely if metro north and mta played nice but they couldn't because they've got their heads up their asses high off their own shit
i do not believe that i will see a proper subway extension within my lifetime at this rate. probably not even in 100 years. yet people keep talking about how cars need to be reduced in the city. im a cyclist and i see no way cars can be reduced in manhattan properly if the poorest people who live in the outer borough literally do not have a choice in the matter because we have no goddamn subway
this isn't a ding at you, im just really pissed off at the sad state of our transit system
It's not like the suburbs are any cheaper. Housing costs aren't significantly lower than they are in Manhattan, and are roughly similar to parts of Queens and Brooklyn and the cost of owning a car is like another $12-15k per year per car.
Where are you in Manhattan that you can buy a duplex for 300K-400k? Or rent a one bedroom apartment for 1800
https://www.apartments.com/240-37-69th-ave-queens-ny/q2dfpyw/
There are plenty of one bedrooms available in Queens and Brooklyn for 1800 or less. Right now on Streeteasy, there are 4 in Astoria, 1 in Woodside, 2 in Flushing, 5 near Prospect Park, and 1 in Sunset Park. All safe, walkable neighborhoods where cars are unnecessary and the commute to Manhattan would be 40 minutes or less.
But even paying $2400 in Manhattan, I still save a ton compared to living in Westchester. The extra ~7200 I spend on rent is half what I would spend on a car, and transportation here maxes out at $1524. Not to mention the significantly higher quality of life and far shorter commute.
I think you're exaggerating the cost of owning a car a little, and a 40 minute commute is a little generous for Flushing, Sunset Park and Prospect Park.
The median cost for owning a car in New York state is just under $14k per year per car. I'd be willing to bet for people in and around the city that's even higher considering gas prices and the cost of parking. But even if the net cost is the same, you're still saving time and have a much higher quality of life in the city vs the suburbs.
As for the commute times, I just looked at the time listed on Streeteasy to either my job in Lower Manhattan or my apartment in Midtown a 5 minute walk from GCT, whichever was closer. The longest was 38 minutes from the one in Sunset Park and it required a transfer.
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Exactly. America loves the education and enforcement model when it comes to policing vehicles, but that's exactly why most drivers blatantly ignore the rules. There are major cities all over the world that are comparable to NYC that don't have our issues, and that's cause NYC housing is so unaffordable, the road design encourages illegal parking/poor driving, and our public transit, bike infrastructure, and walking infrastructure is severely lacking.
Sure, compared to the rest of the US we're great but that's just cause the US sucks at public infrastructure.
An alternate, complementary idea is to build out a transit system comparable to say Tokyo, where even places (currently) 2 hours out can easily become a bedroom community for Manhattan.
Where are you living that it’s a 2+ hour commute??
sorry, a frankenstein coalition of old homeowners and leftists getting by on just vibes thinks that will drive gentrification and make the city unaffordable, and for some reason politicians listen to them.
They’re lying, they know it raises prices, they’re homeowners that’s what they want.
fair point, which makes all the [certain, not all] "progressive" talking points aligning with them all the more frustrating
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