ManhattanRailfan

ManhattanRailfan t1_jcowjl0 wrote

https://blog.tstc.org/2017/04/21/car-free-new-york-city/

And I think you, like most people, are vastly underestimating the cost of car ownership. Insurance alone for a 10-15 year old Toyota is going to cost around $500-600 a month for insurance alone. Then there's gas, maintenance, depreciation, inspections, etc.

Nearly everyone in the parts of the outer boroughs without the subway could get by just fine with bikes and buses. In fact, many people do. The problem with transportation in the order boroughs comes specifically from cars. If people didn't drive so much, then the buses would be far more reliable and efficient and biking would be a lot safer. There's nothing wrong with those modes of transportation, and many neighborhoods, in Eastern Queens especially, aren't dense enough to justify subway expansion over other areas. Those people should be taking a bus or bike to the subway or LIRR, not driving into Manhattan.

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ManhattanRailfan t1_jcnpw11 wrote

Look, I'd love to eliminate street parking entirely, but that's not happening any time soon.

Roughly 30% of traffic in the city right now is people circling for parking. Create a permitting system and you eliminate that pretty much overnight. A lot of people also drive in with the expectation that they'll be able to find a spot on the street, which, depending on the location and time, is very possible. Even if they can't half the time and have to go to a garage, they may consider that worthwhile. (For what it's worth, I live off 2nd Ave in Midtown and there are almost always spots on both 2nd and 1st available). If you make it so commuters know they'll have to pay for the garage every time, they may pick the train instead.

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ManhattanRailfan t1_jcnp5bk wrote

Three things here:

  1. Working class people overwhelmingly don't own cars in this city. The median income for car owners is 2-3 times higher than non-car owners depending on which borough. They are entirely optional for the over 90% of New Yorkers who live within a 5 minute walk of a bus or train stop.

  2. If you can't afford a $50 parking permit, you probably can't afford the $12-15k per year it costs to own a car.

  3. You are not entitled to use public space to store your private property for free. The city subsidizes parking to the tune of $40 billion (yes, with a B) every year. You'd be insane to think that's good policy when cars are actively detrimental to the city.

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ManhattanRailfan t1_jcne4qe wrote

You can, actually. If street parking is only available to residents, then people who drive in from the suburbs, which is the majority of cars in the city, are forced to use expensive garages, and therefore might stop driving altogether. And if the number of permits issued is equal to the number of spots available, then you're also eliminating people circling for parking.

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ManhattanRailfan t1_jcm42jh wrote

To caveat, however, there have been several times when there has been a bonus on the fare. Up until a couple years ago, you used to get an extra 5% when you put money on your metrocard, so the fare has essentially gone up more recently than that. The cost of unlimited metrocards and MNR/LIRR fares also increased.

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ManhattanRailfan t1_jcfkx7q wrote

The only reason people need to drive in those neighborhoods is because everyone drives in those neighborhoods. It's a catch-22. The buses are unreliable and slow and biking is unsafe because of all the cars and everyone drives because the buses are slow and unreliable and biking is unsafe.

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