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azspeedbullet t1_j7kjkry wrote

whats the point of giving the mta more money when they are going to spend it wastefully?

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lightinvestor t1_j7lq7pd wrote

MTA is a jobs program, thus it is not wasteful in their eyes

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[deleted] t1_j7lythn wrote

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Pennwisedom t1_j7mqozx wrote

I'm not even sure that matters. This sub loves to point out the Japan trains, but in this case I think it's worth pointing out Japan's trains have so many jobs that are strictly unnecessary, are also for-profit companies and they do fine as far as keeping costs reasonable.

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VodkaSliceofLife t1_j7olbmn wrote

Lmao dude the conductor opens and closes the doors and makes all announcements, you know what else is the conductors job, keeping his head out the window approaching and leaving a station to keep an extra watch. The conductor also has his own emergency stop as well as the train operator so now that's 2 people that can watch for an emergency. Also trains have doors on both sides as any NYCer knows, I wonder how often the wrong side would be opened while people lean on the doors because they instead try to task the driver of the train with driving....making announcements, opening and closing the doors and whatever else. Also conductors are used in something called RTO (rapid transit operations) flagging in which they are used to flag train traffic for crews and contractors doing large jobs under live train traffic. Stop regurgitating garbage without actually knowing anything. If you think MTA workers just sit around getting paid free money and not doing anything. People driving trains and buses have to schedule a simple day off months in advance. Have little to no down time and forced overtime constantly. One or 2 little issues along their run, which happens constantly and whatever small amount of time they had for a meal or bathroom break is gone. People in other departments are working under dangerous ass conditions under live traffic and on the track with no hazard pay, breathing in horrible air very often and only make decent money when they live at work with their overtime. The largest majority of workers...those within the 5 boroughs, tend to more miles of track, move more passengers, with more trains then their metro north and LIR counterparts and are paid less money for the same job and don't receive railroad retirement benefits because the MTA regards it as a "transit" system instead of a railroad in order to save money. If you think the MTA is wasting all its money on overtime you should do some more research. Contractors are constantly paid double or close to it an hour to do the same jobs that MTA employees do, the MTA wastes spends money on "advisors" than they do on men doing the actual work. The MTA makes horrible decisions and prioritizes the wrong projects. All MTA workers would love to be paid a fair normal wage and have less or even no overtime. The MTA cries broke every time it's time for contract negotiations....like it will be this may....but they just received billions during covid, hochul is working on plans now to secure them more billions, they will soon receive more billions in the form of the congestion tolling which has been approved just not finalized on pricing yet. Yet they raise bridge tolls, tunnel tolls and fare tolls constantly. You are calling the workers grifters and redundant, get mad at the right people, the horrible beurocracy that is the MTA. Fire all the chairpersons and high management of the MTA and run it correctly.

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ThreepointerFTW t1_j7moldc wrote

I don’t know if MTA can especially with that stations that are curved, it’s get hard for the driver to see when they closed the doors.

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Expensive_Ad_3249 t1_j7mr2q6 wrote

London has lots of curved stations. A couple of CCTV cameras and tvs at the end of the platform solve that far better than a second person who also might have limited view.

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7ltrri wrote

The entire city budget is basically a glorified jobs program. The actual return on taxes paid is atrocious.

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-goodgodlemon t1_j7m0ttp wrote

ROI is not a good way to look at government spending

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7m178t wrote

It is if your definition of ROI is inclusive of what is good for the citizenry. Which is which I was referring to. Returns to us. Not financial returns.

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Status_Fox_1474 t1_j7mookj wrote

The subway is the only way to move millions of people. The streets would be choked, whether by cars or pedestrians.

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7n0h6p wrote

Which is why it should be managed appropriately. Mismanaging an essential service is dangerous.

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SSG_SSG_BloodMoon t1_j7lzu4e wrote

Insane take. The city would be nothing without the subway

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7m0mwt wrote

Not sure how that's disagreeing with the fact that it's financially mismanaged.

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SSG_SSG_BloodMoon t1_j7mck2l wrote

How can you say "the return is atrocious" when "the return" is the whole city. Everything about the city.

Would we be better off nixing it entirely? No? Then obviously the return isn't atrocious.

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7mia57 wrote

Yes. The return on the investment is terrible. Money is misspent on a multiples basis.

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Status_Fox_1474 t1_j7moiw1 wrote

I think what he’s trying to say is that you can’t measure ROI like you can a business. The subway is just as important to the city as the fire department or sanitation department. Or the department of transportation. Get rid of any one of those, and things turn real bad real fast.

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7n0dq9 wrote

I’ve said multiple times in this thread that I’m not talking about financial returns. I’m talking about what we as citizens receive back

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mrpeeng t1_j7l65hr wrote

More like, what's the point of giving the MTA more money when NYS uses it to fund other projects. Not saying MTA isn't wasteful, but the state def. fks them over with their random spending of their funds.

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FizzyJews t1_j7l6nvo wrote

And yet people on Reddit don't see congestion pricing as a money grab. Sheeple gonna sheep.

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Hoser117 t1_j7lafii wrote

Even if they take all the money from it and dump it into the ocean if it reduces car congestion in the target areas it's a good thing.

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j7lfza1 wrote

This solution will “drive” consumers away from Manhattan.

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nychuman t1_j7lo35x wrote

Isn’t it only during rush hour?

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j7lomht wrote

Congestion tolls will be 24/7. During the hearings, Manhattan residents who work the overnight shift, 12am to 8am, outside of Manhattan expressed concerns about how this will affect them directly.

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nychuman t1_j7los6v wrote

I just googled and saw the peak and off peak values. Interesting.

In theory I’m ok with the plan, but I seriously hope public transit gets the support it needs to pick up the slack.

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brownredgreen t1_j7lkt7u wrote

Because I dont trust random internet shits to pay up

Youre a welcher.

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[deleted] t1_j7lrdum wrote

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brownredgreen t1_j7lrtvp wrote

No, i dont believe you.

I think youre a lying liar.

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[deleted] t1_j7ltlev wrote

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brownredgreen t1_j7lts6y wrote

But you wont. Youll delete your account and disappear like all the other trolls do.

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[deleted] t1_j7lv8u7 wrote

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brownredgreen t1_j7mrjjm wrote

I dont believe you.

Repeating your lie wont change that.

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[deleted] t1_j7nengw wrote

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brownredgreen t1_j7nk1w0 wrote

Didn't you say 10:1 odds?

Also: what exactly are you so hung up on? What percentage decrease would trigger a repayment? 1%? 6%? 14?

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[deleted] t1_j7nq09t wrote

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brownredgreen t1_j7ntz7n wrote

You made the claim, you name the %

This might be a quibble because you didnt name a number

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psychothumbs OP t1_j7kmd29 wrote

I don't think spending it on not increasing fares is wasteful.

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queensnyatty t1_j7ko16h wrote

They can neither raise fares nor get more money by becoming the second least efficient transit organization on the planet instead of the first. Tough bar I know, but I really think they can do it if they try.

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