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meteoraln t1_jag8d3v wrote

I feel like the previous laws of 5 years ago worked just fine when they were enforced.

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anObscurity t1_jah8k9h wrote

Yeah the laws aren’t lacking. It’s the backbone to crack down, which current DAs don’t have. But I guess this wouldn’t hurt

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oreosfly t1_jaibfje wrote

NYC: we don’t enforce our laws but we will solve it by writing more laws!

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Rottimer t1_jahmgrn wrote

The volume of incidents have markedly increased. So have the arrests according to the NYPD.

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ChrisFromLongIsland t1_jahpanb wrote

What about the procecutions.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jai48y7 wrote

The rate of case dismissal before any trial or plea deal could happen skyrocketed after the NY discovery law reform was enacted.

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TonysCatchersMit t1_jaijmox wrote

Yeah people point to bail reform but it’s really the new discovery rules that are the issue.

The way prosecutors played games with the speedy trial clock was fucked up but what we have now clearly isn’t working either.

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moobycow t1_jalvxck wrote

We play a lot of different tricks at all levels to try and get around the fact that our system is woefully underfunded.

We don't pay social services, so we need more criminal services, but we also don't pay for enough staffing for judges, lawyers, prosecutors, so we wind up with a patchwork of suck at every level.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jamyv32 wrote

The system is not just underfunded, but also very wasteful.

A tiny quantity of individuals being repeatedly arrested and released are consuming a disproportionate amount of resources in the police, DA, public defense, courts.

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HelpMeDoTheThing t1_jahzxw8 wrote

If you were criminally inclined, would you not act on it more often if you knew you wouldn’t be prosecuted?

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Rottimer t1_jai4hql wrote

You’ll have to explain exactly what you mean by “criminally inclined.” People are definitely being prosecuted for retail theft. How often and to what degree I don’t readily have that information at my fingertips. If you do, please share it.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jai50qm wrote

The laws have changed in those 5 years.

This opinion article from the NY Post explains it in vivid language, but the underlying facts are undeniable: https://nypost.com/2023/01/19/new-yorks-discovery-laws-are-designed-to-let-criminals-go-free/

>The study points out that in New York City in 2019, before discovery reform, 49% of misdemeanor cases resulted in dismissals. In 2021, that number soared to 82%. In 2022, it was 74%. Defendants are, unsurprisingly, playing out the clock.

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LOVE2FUKWITHPP t1_jaksqbq wrote

No if u do your called a raysist cause there seems to be a pattern with the perpeetrator

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EWC_2015 t1_jakizls wrote

5 yrs ago there wasn’t discovery reform that buried prosecutors in paperwork and attached speedy trial dismissal as the one and only remedy (practically speaking that’s how it played out despite what the statute says) for their failure to keep up with 10x their normal work load.

I anticipate many of the arrests under this new felony will be downgraded except for the most serious ones, much like what happens to many felony arrests.

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