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DryGumby t1_jawxnxe wrote

Reply to comment by George4Mayor86 in Bronx Defenders hit city, NYPD with two separate police misconduct lawsuits — Bronx Times by BronxTimes

> accused criminals get away with it.

Because everyone knows once you're accused, you have something to get away with

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George4Mayor86 t1_jawy9hc wrote

Not necessarily, but the job of the defender is exactly the same whether their client did it or not.

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DryGumby t1_jawyxzm wrote

What would an innocent person be getting away with? This is why you're incorrect. You admit that they defend both and imply that they do not.

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George4Mayor86 t1_jawzh59 wrote

They’re job is to get people accused of crimes off. They don’t care if their clients are guilty or not, so any rule that makes it easier to get away with crimes is good for them.

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DryGumby t1_jawzs6q wrote

Any rule like the right to an attorney? Unfortunately for you an accusation doesn't terminate your civil rights.

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George4Mayor86 t1_jawzx71 wrote

I’m not saying this is a bad thing. They’re a ne essay part of the legal system. But people are barking up the wrong tree if they think “this law will help criminals get away with gun crimes” is something defenders would care about.

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DryGumby t1_jax0gb0 wrote

You're not saying it you're just implying it. The one job of public defender's is not to help "accused criminals" get away with it, it's to defend the rights of the accused.

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George4Mayor86 t1_jax0zz3 wrote

Ok. How is that different? Their singular goal is to make sure people accused of crimes get as little punishment as possible - regardless of whether they know perfectly well their client is guilty.

Again, this isn’t a bad thing. Even criminals are entitled to legal defense. But people wrongly assume that criminal defenders care about public safety, when that’s specifically not their job.

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Dont_mute_me_bro t1_jb4lgw8 wrote

That is a bad thing. Not all criminals are the same. Some are people who made bad choices. Others are repeat offenders with lengthy sheets. Fuck those guys.

Fighting to reduce punishment for someone like that is horrible when signs show they'll just do it again once they're out.

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Crimsonwolf1445 t1_jb0dcgk wrote

Which entails helping accused criminals get away with it.

They help as many guilty people as innocent ones likely more guilty people actually.

It is their duty

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djdjddhdhdh t1_jay68sn wrote

You’re right in that their job is to defend a person. You’re wrong in that they don’t care, they don’t particularly have a choice. It’s the defense attorney legal and ethical responsibility to defend a client whether or not they did it

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