What's going on in Williamsburg? Trumpy hipsters?

Now create an animated version transitioning between this and a ethnic/racial demographic map

That’s such an odd mix…. They probably went down a YouTube rabbit hole

very, very large orthodox and hasidic jewish community who near universally support Zeldin

Big population of Jews there

So the people actually seeing the “crime wave” 24/7 vote blue, even deep blue, and those who watch it on tv vote red

Interesting to compare this to maps of median income/poverty levels.

https://www.visualizingeconomics.com/blog/2007/09/22/new-york-city-poverty-map

Looks like dems are the party of the very rich and very poor while the middle class, such as it exists in NYC is more republican.

Williamsburg north and south of (aptly named) Division Ave is two very different places. South of there is 85% to 95% Hasidic Jews depending on the block. And they tend to vote Republican by a HUGE margin. Same goes for the dark red areas in Boro Park, Crown Heights, etc.

Didn't really know I live in a pretty red ass area bensonhurst. But I could see why. Alot of middle class white people.

Well its not just any old jews though, its pretty much just the Hasidic jews voting Republican by big margins... otherwise the Upper West wouldnt be solidly blue.

Mostly people just don't vote

Well I mean there are vast swathes of the city that are lighter blue meaning 20% or more voted for Zeldin. People always find simplistic ways to understand our winner take all system, remember, red and blue states don't exist, they're all shades of purple.

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Prime ballot harvesting territory.

interesting. flushing queens is mostly red...

Minorities and especially Asian people have seen a large increase of Asian hate crime and the soft on crime messaging from the Democrat does help. South Brooklyn also is more ethnically diverse with more recent immigrants, who are culturally more conservative. Bensonhurst is less than 40 percent (or close that ) white, and majority is Asian.

Yeah that's the hasidic ghetto south of Broadway, west of the G train

Minorities in nyc and recent immigrants tend to be more culturally conservative. The elites would want you to think all minorities are liberals tho.

Lol, crime wave god...

From Gothamist:

Zeldin also picked up new territory Cuomo had carried in Queens in 2018, including parts of eastern Queens such as College Point, Bayside and Kew Gardens, as well as much of the Rockaways.

No surprise considering Democrats fucked over Kew Gardens with their neighborhood jail plan. Also not a surprise for Bayside because DeBlasio tried to screw over Asians in the public school system.

Asians take their education seriously. Democrats tried to fuck us over.

Zeldin was the only one who acknowledged Asian hate.

Okay seriously why would you link to an income map from 2007 in good faith?

Here’s a map with more recent data that’s broken down in a more visually easy to read way (at least for the purpose of verifying what you’re trying to say).

So it says right there that the median household income in the city was $69k in 2019 and on the map I linked, that income falls under the second lowest income band which is the second darkest blue.

It shows that the poorest areas in the city voted for both parties and it can better be broken down by demographic. Looking at Brooklyn, ENY, most of Crown Heights and Flatbush are deep blue on the electoral map and also some of the poorest areas in the city. Similarly, Williamsburg, that lil dot in Crown Heights and Borough Park are deep red on the electoral map and also some of the poorest areas in the city.

Meanwhile, that deep red at the bottom of SI is also one of the wealthiest parts of the city (admittedly the least wealthy of the wealthy people but still much higher than the median). The tip of Rockaway is also right behind SI in terms of wealth. Bergen Beach and Howard Beach are also markedly wealthier than the areas they’re directly next to and have incomes higher than median.

The only thing that the deep red nyc areas have in common across them is how markedly white they are.

Ranking the top 10 nyc neighborhoods by white population, those deep red areas are #2, 4, 5, 7 and 8.

For the record, the #1, 3, 6, 9 and 10 whitest neighborhoods (which are all blue on the election map) have much bigger populations of people of color than the whitest neighborhoods who voted red.

See the comment above where I specifically showed that at least in nyc that’s not even remotely true.

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> Okay seriously why would you link to an income map from 2007 in good faith?

Because I have a life and googled the map and didn't look very closely at it. The ackshually "good faith" thing just makes you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist BTW.

> Meanwhile, that deep red at the bottom of SI is also one of the wealthiest parts of the city (admittedly the least wealthy of the wealthy people but still much higher than the median).

"one of the wealthiest parts of the city" with a median household income of $85k. Okay.

> The only thing that the deep red nyc areas have in common across them is how markedly white they are.

Oh okay. Unlike the very diverse upper east and west side and williamsburg.

> Ranking the top 10 nyc neighborhoods by white population, those deep red areas are #2, 4, 5, 7 and 8.

> For the record, the #1, 3, 6, 9 and 10 whitest neighborhoods (which are all blue on the election map) have much bigger populations of people of color than the whitest neighborhoods who voted red.

Are you going to start measuring skulls next to try and prove how un-white and diverse the upper east side and tribeca are?

You can definitely hold your own views but they aren’t based in fact. Sure, many recent immigrants work blue collar jobs but blue collar is not the same as conservative at all. A lot of white recent immigrants tend to be conservative and will vote that way and a lot of religious non-white recent immigrants have some conservative personal opinions but wouldn’t vote for a party where racism is one of their values.

Also, the reddest part of Staten Island is one of the richest parts of the city so no it should not be separated because of ~vibes~.

Damn that’s a lot of weird nonsense all to say you don’t care about facts.

Lead with that next time.

This naturalized immigrant votes blue

What "facts" did you present here exactly? I said the democratic party is becoming the party of the very rich and very poor and ignoring the middle class. To refute this you show me a map that shows the richest neighborhoods all voted blue, the poorest neighborhoods all voted blue, and never even bother to mention the middle class at all? Then you tried to tell me that a district in Staten Island where the median household income is $85k is "one of the richest" in the city?

These are some "facts" you have here.

> Some recent US figures on the distribution of income by party: 65 percent of taxpayer households that earn more than $500,000 per year are now in Democratic districts; 74 percent of the households in Republican districts earn less than $100,00 per year. Add to this what we knew already, namely that the 10 richest congressional districts in the country all have Democratic representatives in Congress.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/democrats-rich-party-obama/

Highly amusing how the 1% convinced gullible useful idiots that it's skin color and not wealth that divides this country.

I said the richest and poorest neighborhoods voted for both parties.

I didn’t mention middle class because if you clicked the map, it would be immediately obvious that areas with people making median incomes largely voted blue. Also if you clicked the income map with recent income data, you would have to specifically ignore the large chunk of the reddest part of staten island with the $105k median income to focus in on the tiny part that makes $85k. Wonder why you’d do that?

This discussion is about nyc’s recent election and how it compares to income in the boroughs but now you’re linking a single article from 2021 that discusses the democratic national party.

Good job.

Not a whole lot of “rich white liberals” in flatbush, brownsville, east new york, or a ton of other blue areas on that map.

> I said the richest and poorest neighborhoods voted for both parties.

Yes you did but you failed to even come close to proving it.

> Some recent US figures on the distribution of income by party: 65 percent of taxpayer households that earn more than $500,000 per year are now in Democratic districts; 74 percent of the households in Republican districts earn less than $100,00 per year. Add to this what we knew already, namely that the 10 richest congressional districts in the country all have Democratic representatives in Congress.

> Also if you clicked the income map with recent income data, you would have to specifically ignore the large chunk of the reddest part of staten island with the $105k median income to focus in on the tiny part that makes $85k. Wonder why you’d do that?

Odd how you think making a point about skin color somehow refutes the actual data about income which is exactly what I was talking about and what the data shows. The richest and poorest vote overwhelmingly democratic.

Maybe you can explain to me how finding one zip code in staten island that voted red refutes this point?

The rich white liberals in the Bronx and upper Manhattan?

Odd to lump all minorities and recent immigrants together and make sweeping generalizations about them. They constitute the majority of residents and they're obviously quite heterogenous.

Damn, why’s Staten Island so red? I live in midland, had no clue we were so red

DeBlasio’s school thing hurt. Overall this Harvard case in front of the Supreme Court right now is a big deal and democrats aren’t seeing the Asian prospective. There is also the recent attacks on Asians that got blamed on bale reform

Maybe ghetto isn’t the best term to use

why would you use a map from 2007? do you know what williamsburg looked like in 2007?

bro you used a map from 2007 and when presented with a present map you just.. doubled down?

time to call it a nite...

Not sure how that is in any way relevant to the point I made. The democratic party is increasing the party of the very rich and the very poor. Maybe you can explain to me how pointing to one zip code in Staten island refutes this point?

Go read the facts I posted and get back to me.

Because I googled it and didn't look at the date. Or it's a vast Russian conspiracy designed to subtly undermine faith in the democrat narrative. One of those two things happened.

If Hochul had performed as well as Cuomo, Democrats might have actually kept the House. Zeldin’s strong showing no doubt helped a lot of tight House races tip red upstate.

I wonder what this looks like against demographics. Red areas are principally white ethnic?

Flushing is the spot of blue surrounded by red…

Recent immigrants don’t vote. You can’t just immigrate and suddenly become a citizen.

By recent I meant first to second gen Americans

I’m really hoping they don’t know the origin of the word “ghetto,” because yikes.

Yep

Even Grace Meng's campaign material included more GOP-like bulltetpoints

• more funding for nypd
• keep the shsat

Satmar Chasidim

That’s an extremely broad group to generalize, but also second-generation Americans are not immigrants, let alone recent immigrants. Don’t call people who were born in America immigrants. That’s not what the word means.

2nd gen depending on how you define it is still very much apart of the recent immigrants community. Some ppl define 2nd Gen was ppl born in the USA but their parents were not.

I didn’t say recent immigrants tended to be minorities. I said minority New Yorkers and those who are recent immigrants to the country of whatever race tend to be socially conservative. Broad generalization but as a life long New Yorker in Brooklyn, it kinda holds true.

Do you know what “immigrant” means? Use another word. People born in America cannot be immigrants in America.

Born in America but i identify more with the immigrat community in terms of values Bc of how I was raised. I’m not gonna argue semantics

Identifying with “the immigrant community” (whatever that means, when immigrants come from literally everywhere and ascribe to wildly different worldviews) doesn’t make one an immigrant.

I never said it did. Man, have a good day. stop being mad on Reddit lol

Seriously, just use another word then, one that doesn’t imply people are outsiders in their birth country.

So are very wealthy areas.

I’m not sure I follow.

Accurate statement. The problem with the Dems is they play both to the very poor on economic policy and to the very rich on social issues. But this is also part of their problem in being able to be efficient. Republicans do somewhat of the same but are strong economically to the rich and socially to the poor. Both of the parties equally "other" in some form or fashion.

Very wealthy areas vote overwhelmingly democratic.

I said demographics, not democrats.

Im guessing that they do and thats why they chose that specific term.

That would be difficult... but you can compare this map to http://www.justicemap.org/2020/index.php?gsLayer=plural&gfLon=-95.3&gfLat=39.6&giZoom=4&gsGeo=county&giAdvanced=1& which shows racial makeup (e.g. Latino, Non-hispanic White, Black, Asian, etc. but not specific ethnicities) and median household income at different levels of granularity (e.g. county/borough, tract, block group, block)

Interesting... one would think that bale reform would be more of a hot-button among hay and alfalfa farmers than asian new yorkers... the more you know.

Of course I do. I'm also Jewish! Ghetto is a ghetto. If people self cluster it's a ghetto.

"Justice Map" is a great tool to use for looking at neighborhood demographics, with data from the 2020 census (showing population percentages for major racial groups, median household income, and income change at the county/borough, tract, block group, and block levels)

http://www.justicemap.org/2020/index.php?gsLayer=plural&gfLon=-95.3&gfLat=39.6&giZoom=4&gsGeo=county&giAdvanced=1&

Downtown Flushing, yes, but colloquially people often refer to a much larger area surrounding it as Flushing as well with sub-neighborhoods like Murray Hill and Linden Hill. Just like how "Jamaica" is used to denote large swaths of Southeast Queens, "Flushing" is used to denote much of Northeast Queens, probably both a long-standing remnant of time when they were each one of the five Townships of Queens County.

You seem to be confused here. We are discussing the incomes of typical voters for both parties. Historically the democratic party was the party of the working and middle class. Now they're becoming the party of the very rich and very poor. They abandoned the middle and working class and left them for the republicans, who used to be the party of the rich.

>Some recent US figures on the distribution of income by party: 65 percent of taxpayer households that earn more than $500,000 per year are now in Democratic districts; 74 percent of the households in Republican districts earn less than $100,00 per year. Add to this what we knew already, namely that the 10 richest congressional districts in the country all have Democratic representatives in Congress.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/democrats-rich-party-obama/

For some reason these facts are making people very angry. We went from Occupy Wall street to letting them try to pretend that skin color and not class are what divides us. Coincidentally this leaves the 1% off the hook. While we fight over skin color, we let them get away with the largest wealth transfer in history from the poor to the rich during the lockdowns.

Yeah I live in Bayside, the biggest crime wave I see around here is the idiotic way people drive lol.

Oooooh I’ve been looking for something like this for a while! Thanks so much for sharing!

you're welcome 🤓

the Venetian Ghetto in Cannaregio?

Lay down mass transit throughout the red regions and up zone it all.

The hell happened in Williamsburg?

The rich actually tend to be way more consistently conservative on social issues, at least IIRC. Poorer people tend to be less politically engaged and so have some heterodox collections of opinions - e.g., being harshly anti-immigrant while supporting legal abortion.

I think this partly explains why GOP party elites (e.g. SCOTUS) thought that outlawing abortion wouldn’t generate much backlash, when in reality few people are 100% right (or left) on any given issue.

You mean prime upzoning territory.

The ones in red....UPZONE IT ALL.