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elizabeth-cooper t1_iwgsv9q wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Weekly Crime Thread - Week of November 15, 2022 by AutoModerator
Jacksonville - black people are 30% of the population, 75% of the murder victims.
Jacksonville's entire population is just under a million. Black population: 300k. Number of black murder victims: 75. Murder rate: 25 per 100k.
NYC wins again!
Your overall point is not wrong, but your stats are irrelevant.
York_Villain t1_iwgx4px wrote
He's mad that the copy/pasted crime statistics he's receiving aren't justifying racist policing. So instead he's trying to say that NYC is racist for having better crime statistics? lmao
NetQuarterLatte t1_iwgy8d3 wrote
I'm all ears for your argument about how NYC is not racist when it comes to public safety.
York_Villain t1_iwhe45f wrote
Sorry, I'm only here to laugh at the quarantined crime spam.
NetQuarterLatte t1_iwgt40t wrote
Well, thank you for giving us a perfect example of double-standards.
When the standard of public safety that each person deserves is based on their color.
elizabeth-cooper t1_iwgtm0d wrote
?
This is the comparison that matters, not a shithole town in Florida.
>(With the same calculation, the murder rate victimizing whites in NYC is 0.8 per 100,000)
NetQuarterLatte t1_iwgucsk wrote
>This is the comparison that matters, not a shithole town in Florida.
I agree with you.
But did you just miss the whole crime narrative prior to the election comparing NYC to random republican states?
I'm basically saying: NYC is not uniformly better than said shithole town in Florida. Maybe we should collectively get off the high-horse for a moment.
elizabeth-cooper t1_iwhfxqn wrote
But it is better, that's the comparison. A black person has a higher chance of being murdered in Jacksonville than in NYC.
NetQuarterLatte t1_iwhwexu wrote
>But it is better, that's the comparison. A black person has a higher chance of being murdered in Jacksonville than in NYC.
You can celebrate NYC, as many do, because you can believe that's good enough. Many people will buy that argument.
I just wish we can live in a world where "good enough" doesn't depend on the color of one's skin.
mission17 t1_iwhwqvg wrote
Then maybe let’s support efforts that encourage racial equity in the justice system, like bail reform.
NetQuarterLatte t1_iwhyv4h wrote
>Then maybe let’s support efforts that encourage racial equity in the justice system, like bail reform.
So why not continue the reform in the criminal justice system?
The courts are still slow, DAs are being overwhelmed and same with public defenders.
The "reformers" took power, did a half-ass job, and switched towards defending the status quo real quick.
It's almost as if some politicians actually benefit from perpetuating the issues, while posing as the "advocates".
mission17 t1_iwi0083 wrote
> So why not continue the reform in the criminal justice system?
Did Progressives really give up on advocating for reforms, or do you just not like their proposals because they’re not right wing enough?
> and switched towards defending the status quo real quick
They’re actually spending a lot of time defending the policies they enacted from attacks from the right and the center, in case you haven’t noticed. You know all those New York Post articles about bail reform you’re in always in the comments for? How are supporters of progressive policies benefitting at all from these programs being rolled back? Please be for real right now.
> It's almost as if some politicians actually benefit from perpetuating the issues, while posing as the "advocates".
What issues? Who are the “advocates”? How are they benefitting? This vague progressive boogeyman shit is exhausting.
NetQuarterLatte t1_iwicgch wrote
>Did Progressives really give up on advocating for reforms, or do you just not like their proposals because they’re not right wing enough?
The advocacy changed from advocating for reforms to defending the status quo.
Because progressives in power don't need to advocate anymore, when they can exercise the power to walk the talk instead.
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>They’re actually spending a lot of time defending the policies they enacted from attacks from the right and the center, in case you haven’t noticed.
So the criticisms, valid or invalid, are to blame for the reforms being stopped?
>You know all those New York Post articles about bail reform you’re in always in the comments for? How are supporters of progressive policies benefitting at all from these programs being rolled back? Please be for real right now.
It's very simple.
Fear-mongering about "reforms being rolled back" is what's benefiting those politicians.
Note that I'm not saying anything about rolling anything back, but you're framing it that way here because such fear-mongering message is deeply entrenched in your mind at this point.
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>What issues? Who are the “advocates”? How are they benefitting? This vague progressive boogeyman shit is exhausting.
Like opposing de-escalation training for the police... to benefit from headlines of police brutality?
Like reducing the police force in NYPD, causing a predictable increase in police violence (inversely correlated with under-staffing of police departments)... to benefit from headlines of more police brutality?
Like erasing gangs database... to benefit from more headlines about more violence in Riker's?
Like disseminating mistrust in the police, to cause more POC youth on becoming first-time offenders... to increase the number of people who have an encounter with the broken justice system?
You ask who? The list is large. AOC, Tiffany Cabán, Steward-Cousins, and many more.
mission17 t1_iwie3hs wrote
You seem confused about what progressivism is. Once again, progressive doesn’t mean /u/NetQuarterLatte’s favorite policy.
None of the policies you listed at the bottom are progressive. Progressives are not advocating for increasing police funding or discouraging BLM protests. Those are pretty clearly right-wing policies.
I’m sorry that progressives are not enacting your favorite conservative policies. But you are not a progressive. Earlier today, you used Lee Zeldin as an example of a moderate Republican.
NetQuarterLatte t1_iwiew88 wrote
I'm kind of disappointed that you're back at disingenuously mischaracterizing other people's comments to create straw arguments.
If you have strong ideas, you could be doing the opposite: make an iron man argument instead.
I'm not sure if you will ever understand the above.
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>Earlier today, you used Lee Zeldin as an example of a moderate Republican.
I cited Zeldin as a republican who moved less than an inch towards the center (exact words I used).
But you are mischaracterizing that as a "moderate Republican" lol
k1lk1 t1_iwgtojv wrote
I mean you used bad stats to make an overall good point, next time don't undermine your argument by manipulating the data.
newestindustry t1_iwh0ayx wrote
How sure are you it’s a good point if the stats don’t support it
k1lk1 t1_iwh4hjj wrote
The overall point he was making, I believe, is that black people suffer phenomenally worse rates of violent victimization than other races, and it's crazy our politicians don't seem to care about it. The former clause is factual and inarguable, the latter is a political point but IMO a good one.
The point he was wrong about is his idea that Jacksonville's crime rates are close to NYCs on a racial victimization basis - they aren't.
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