My mother passed away and my father told me to pay 3000 dollars for the W2 salary from my mother.

Submitted by AlwaysNextGeneration t3_z8lmec in personalfinance

My question is do I have to pay that 3000 dollar? Isn't the W2 already counted the tax before getting the W2 check? The W2 salary was from my mother.

I did pay the 3000 dollars W2 salary Tax to my father, and my father showed the tax company information when he asked me to pay. This thing happened a few years ago, and, at that time, I thought I had to pay taxes after W2. But today I found out W2 salary pays the taxes before you have the salary.

But I paid for it at that time. That was because he told me If not, he will not return the money from the fraud case.

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A few years ago, after my mother passed away, my father told me to come with him to the Bank of America to pick up the money from my mother's will, which my mother said she will give me some money from her will. He told me to open a Chase account and to store that money from the Will.

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A certain time later, he told me he took 50000 dollars from that chase account. I didn't know how he took it, but later I found out it was from a check.

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I filed a check fraud case at the Monterey Park police department. The department closed that case after the detective showed me a paper that he agreed to return the money back to me immediately. Of course, he didn't immediately return it to me and it was already months passed already.

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In the end, the detective told me I lied about everything because it wasn't the money from the Will. It was, in fact, from the life insurance. I only know that until the detective told me that.

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On that day, the detective even asked me to give him the number to call on father on why he didn't return the money immediately. My father told him he didn't have money, so he can't return it.

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After that, my father told me that he will return the money back to me but he will take some discount, such as the 3000 dollars W2 salary tax from my mother. That was because I got the W2 salary from my mother which needs a 3000 tax. One more thing, I only knew my father for 3 years because he sent me out of the US after I was born here.

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debbiewith2 t1_iyc5rmw wrote

Could you try again with a question?

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graphixgurl747 t1_iyc70nc wrote

This is impossible to read. You need to be clear with what you need. Though it sounds like in general you need a lawyer.

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SpiritualQuokka t1_iyc76rx wrote

Your story doesn't make much sense. If you want to pursue this further, you'll need a lawyer who can go through the documents and make sense of what you're saying.

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thelastestgunslinger t1_iyc79sk wrote

Your dad is financially abusing you. And the way you’ve written it will make out really hard for other people to tell.

Please think about what you want to know, and amend your post with an appropriate question.

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AlwaysNextGeneration OP t1_iyc8qq7 wrote

Replying to SpiritualQuokka (#798,454)

I do not have the money to hire a lawyer. And what lawyer?

I tell you one thing. My father filled a divorce court in 2009 against my mother. But my mother told my father that she is going to pass away soon, so my father tried to delay the court to let my mother die in the middle of the divorce court. And I fucked up that life insurance and will from my mother.

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The detective from the Monterey Park police department really closed the case because my father promised the police(detective) that he will immediately return the 50000 from the check that he used, and, of course, he didn't return it immediately. The detective told me I was lying because the money was, in fact, life insurance. I only know that until the detective told me that. On that day, the detective even asked me to give him the number to call on father on why he didn't return the money immediately. My father told him he didn't have money, so he can't return it.

Let me tell you. Does anything here make sense at all?

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SpiritualQuokka t1_iyc9u18 wrote

Replying to AlwaysNextGeneration (#798,857)

No, your story still does not make sense. It seems like you believe your father stole money from you. A lawyer can help you get the money back if that is the case. Your state's bar association can give you a free referral to a lawyer.

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kveggie1 t1_iycenft wrote

What is your question? It sounds like it has something to do with $3000 and your dad. (if you can make it more concise after thinking about what your question is. provide only the necessary information)

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theoriginalharbinger t1_iych7kj wrote

Replying to AlwaysNextGeneration (#798,753)

Like, you're going to get down Voted because while you are using a lot of words, relevant detail and chronology is missing. Put this in a chronology, like:

January 2009: Parents divorce

February 2010:Post divorce judgment awarded to my father in the sum of 3000, against my mother

Etc.

I can't figure out what happened, let alone what your inquiry is

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AlwaysNextGeneration OP t1_iychqj9 wrote

Replying to robustCone (#800,560)

HIS taxes? I got the W2 salary from my mother's boss after she passed away. My father told me I need to pay 3000 dollars for that W2. I am just thinking it doesn't make sense because W2 should already counted the tax.

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robustCone t1_iycj46s wrote

Replying to AlwaysNextGeneration (#800,968)

Here is my take.

  1. He stole $50K from you. He needed you to create an account to create a record of the money going to you and/or because the checks were made out to you, not him.

  2. He owes you $50K.

  3. Even if that $3K is rightfully his, he still owes you $47K. If that $3K is his (doubtful), consider it a partial repayment of the $50K he stole.

  4. Don’t worry about any tax. The tax liability is his as the spouse.

  5. Again, anything he says he is owed, if true, is only a partial repayment of what he owes you. Maybe he is owed some money, but make him take action to get it. He won’t because he committed a felony by stealing that money from you.

  6. In future, deposit checks into one account and move the money to another one he doesn’t know about.

  7. Tell your bank/police that he stole money from your account. Get the image of the deposit check. It will have your name on it as payee. That is all that should matter to police/bank, not whether it is from will vs. insurance. Get the image of the check he used to steal the money and tell the police/bank about the forged signature.

Make sense?

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robustCone t1_iycjip6 wrote

Replying to robustCone (#801,333)

Here is my take.

  1. He stole $50K from you. He needed you to create an account to create a record of the money going to you and/or because the checks were made out to you, not him.

  2. He owes you $50K.

  3. Even if that $3K is rightfully his, he still owes you $47K. If that $3K is his (doubtful), consider it a partial repayment of the $50K he stole.

  4. Don’t worry about any tax. The tax liability is his as the spouse.

  5. Again, anything he says he is owed, if true, is only a partial repayment of what he owes you. Maybe he is owed some money, but make him take action to get it. He won’t because he committed a felony by stealing that money from you.

  6. In future, deposit checks into one account and move the money to another one he doesn’t know about.

  7. Tell your bank/police that he stole money from your account. Get the image of the deposit check. It will have your name on it as payee. That is all that should matter to police/bank, not whether it is from will vs. insurance. Get the image of the check he used to steal the money and tell the police/bank about the forged signature.

Make sense?

Edit: Get a lawyer. You may need to sue to get that 50k back. Since it appears to be a felony, a lawyer might like the chances of recouping the funds and do it for a percentage of money recovered. This is especially the case of he has assets,like a home, or reliable income.

Edit 2: Don’t pay him to get the stolen money back. He clearly has no intention of doing anything other than stealing more money from you.

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AlwaysNextGeneration OP t1_iycnp3g wrote

Replying to theoriginalharbinger (#800,847)

2009 my father filled divorced court.

2010 to 2012, my father started to delay the divorce court after my mother's lawyer told him my mother was going to pass away from breast cancer. My father successfully delaied the divorce court, so it wasn't really a divorce and he got my mother's house and sold it in 2015 or 2016.

In 2013 February, my mother passed away and left a Will. It was my brother who has the Will and enforced it.

From March 2013 to June 2013, my father came back to my mother's house, where I lived, and asked me to head to the Bank of America to get all the life insurance money.

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However, he told me that it wasn't the life insurance money. He said it was the money from the Will. At the same time, he asked my brother to give my money from the Will to him and transfer it to me. Thus, he stole my money from the Will, and I really thought I got my money from the Will. But, in fact, it was the life insurance. After that, he kept telling me to open a Chase account to store the life insurance money because I will have Chase bank benefit, so I opened it. A certain time after that, he used my new Chase bank checkbook to fraud the 50000 life insurance money from that new Chase bank account. He told me that he need to use that money to repair my mother's house. In the beginning, I really thought the Chase account was a co-account, so he can take it with an ask. But the Chase bank later told me it was from a check. He refused to return it to me after I personally ask him to return it.

In 2013 or 2014, I filed a check fraud case at the Monterey Park police department. The Monterey Park police department closed the case without notifying me because my father signed the paper with the detective that he will return the 50000 dollars immediately. My father kept telling me it was his money.

In December 2015, I went to the Monterey Park Police department to see the detective after the police multiple times refused to allow me to see the detective. In the same month, I finally saw the detective and he told me the case was closed because he thought my father returned the money to me. He said I lied to the police that the money was from the Will, and it was, in fact, from the life insurance. To be honest, if the detective didn't tell me that, I really do not know it was from the life insurance. The detective told me there is a large amount of money from the Will if I remember correctly.

The detective immediately called my father on the phone and asked him why he still did not return the money. My father told the detective, in the phone, that he doesn't have money.

From 2015 to 2016, my father promised to return the money from the Will and the money from the fraud. But there will be a certain discount on the return amount, including the 3000 dollar W2 tax.

That is why I ask here. Shouldn't the W2 tax already be paid before the employer gives the W2 Check? If so, I guess that 3000 dollar is a scam.

In 2016, I got the returned amount on those frauds and paid a couple of thousand dollars in that discount, including the 3000 dollars W2 Tax. My father even showed me the tax company who handled the 3000-dollar W2 Wax. Yes, I got my mother's W2 salary.

Side Note: 1) The police told me I shouldn't go against my father when I just filed the fraud case. He is my biological father, but I only knew him for less than 3 years. The first time truly lived with him was 2008. 2). I admit my English is bad. If someone say I should feel shame, I say I was born here legally. It was just my father sent me away when I was a child(to save money as a CFO or learn how to live alone).

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debbiewith2 t1_iycvay9 wrote

Replying to AlwaysNextGeneration (#804,448)

If that is your question, then delete everything else in your post, other than the fact that your mother passed. Generally estimated taxes are withheld and then when the final tax return is filled there is a refund or taxes due. We don’t know if she under-withheld, overwithheld, or properly withheld. You would need to see her 1040. You also mentioned a will, which is why I suggested looking at the 1041 as well.

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AlwaysNextGeneration OP t1_iycy0vm wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#804,920)

I can't tell it and that was what I had too. But my mother worked in a big company, so it shouldn't be working "under the table" to avoid the tax from the W-2 form or W-2 whatever.

I guess maybe the W-2 tax wasn't true.

I think the problem is not you do not understand or what. I don't understand too. How can the detective closed the case because my father signed the paper for returning the check fraud amount immediately? It just doesn't make sense. My father returned the fraud after telling me I need to pay the 3000 dollar W2 Tax. Thus, if it wasn't working "under the table", then I think the W-2 tax wasn't true.

Thank you for your answering.

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Baby_Hippos_Swimming t1_iyd51ld wrote

Just get a lawyer, none of this makes sense. I don't know what a W2 has to do with it.

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Roccia19 t1_iyddy0y wrote

Replying to AlwaysNextGeneration (#802,538)

This is a very confusing situation, but a few thoughts...

Any tax liability your mom had should have been paid from her estate. Not by you.

Sounds like the administrator of the estate didn't uphold their fiduciary duty. There may be legal options here and you should review the will. If you do not have a copy, a copy can be obtained from the probate court clerk in the applicable jurisdiction. Assuming it was correctly administered.

Life insurance pays out to designated beneficiaries, typically outside of an estate. Your proceeds should have come directly from the insurance firm, not some shady let's split things at the bank trip.

Considering this mostly happened a long time ago, there is likely statute if limitations in play or soon to be which stand to prohibit pursuing these issues further. Ultimately a topic to discuss with a lawyer.

When it comes to financial matters, you clearly can not trust your family. You should assume any further inquiries money wise or related to the estate from your family is an attempt to defraud you.

High chance your identity has been compromised by a family member. Please review your free credit reports and establish credit freezes with the three credit bureaus.

Recommend organizing all supporting documents related to this. Especially if you epect to discuss with a lawyer. You should be able to obtain a free consultation on the case, but considering this is a very confusing situation either an attorney won't be interested or will require a sizeable retainer fee. It is distinctly possible you and a lawyer can recover no funds even if a judgement is won but you spending $5k+ on a lawyer is very likely. Look into law clinics at the local University or non profit, you may be able to gain some free legal guidance before pursuing formally.

At some point, you'll need to consider this a closed issue and move on. Granted you should never trust the applicable parties again.

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theoriginalharbinger t1_iyecqr5 wrote

Replying to AlwaysNextGeneration (#802,538)

>From March 2013 to June 2013, my father came back to my mother's house, where I lived, and asked me to head to the Bank of America to get all the life insurance money.
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>However, he told me that it wasn't the life insurance money. He said it was the money from the Will. At the same time, he asked my brother to give my money from the Will to him and transfer it to me. Thus, he stole my money from the Will, and I really thought I got my money from the Will.

Again, you're meandering into really pointless detail while skimming over the highlights.

Missing from this is "Who is the executor?" And it's still confusing, because you contradict yourself in your first sentence ("asked me to head to the B of A to get all the life insurance money" vs your second sentence "He told me that it wasn't the life insurance money. He said it was the money from the Will")

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