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SnapCrackleMom t1_j967m5n wrote

Not equating this tragedy with the car flipping on Superbowl Sunday, but this is the second time in a week we've had a national news story about violence and chaos at Temple and the culprits have been privileged young white men from the suburbs.

This guy's IG is full of dirt bikes and ATVs. How many of the assholes racing up and down Broad are from the suburbs? How many of the people who trashed police cars during the BLM protests were white people from the suburbs?

This guy comes from money. One of the men who turned himself in for the car flipping is the son of an Upper Darby town councilperson. I think it's worth examining and discussing the issue of suburban people of privilege treating Philadelphia like their personal Rage Room.

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Philodemus1984 t1_j96c5zk wrote

On a somewhat related note, my understanding is that a good number of addicts/mentally ill/unhoused people/etc are originally from the burbs and often their issues began while still living in the burbs (for example they first became addicted while living in the burbs). If so, then suburbanites are often exporting their problems (drug addiction/mental illness/etc) to our city. And then many of these suburbanites point their fingers at us and say that our city is a shithole for having to actually deal with these problems rather than export them elsewhere.

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burrata-academy t1_j96e9hx wrote

Just anecdotal evidence, but I grew up in the burbs—a really nice one tbh—and have run into classmates on the El suffering from addiction. Have family members who have ended up down in Kensington addicted to heroin.

I always joke that if you’re raised in the suburbs you end up in the city, one way or another: either for college, for a better job, or with a drug addiction. All the “City Bad Suburbs Perfect” people never want to hear it though.

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Zhuul t1_j96d2rq wrote

Please be as critical as you want of this number because I have no idea how accurate such a survey can be but I’ve seen it estimated that ~60% of the homeless population in Philly is from somewhere else.

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sandwichpepe t1_j96equl wrote

many many addicts on the streets of kensington are from the suburbs originally

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PhillyPanda t1_j96grj3 wrote

Philadelphia is a destination drug city. But that’s a fault of philadelphia. We attract people from out of town to come here with our drug culture.

We’re also a destination healthcare city and do the same with our hospitals and that’s a huge pro for philly.

I dont think you can only accept the suburban transplants for the good things while not acknowledging it’s Philly’s flaws that are ultimately drawing people with drug addictions here.

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kaiwrx t1_j96dpoq wrote

Anytime i see people trashing a city during an event i assume they're going home to their quiet suburban neighborhoods after.. people usually don't destroy a street they need to walk down everyday

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DisciplineShot2872 t1_j96gmc5 wrote

I lived in a "tourist" town for 15 years. It's the same thing. People do all sort of horrible shit that they'd never consider doing where they live.

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SnapCrackleMom t1_j96dz21 wrote

Yeah. I get that drunk college students are gonna drunk college student but they absolutely wouldn't have trashed a car in Clifton Heights or Aldan where they're from.

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silktennisshoes t1_j96lyxc wrote

As someone who was at the scene of that car flipping, I can confirm this and support every word you’ve said. I don’t blame Philly natives for hating suburbians at all.

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proudbakunkinman t1_j96nfdy wrote

I think another factor is a sense of rules not applying as much since you're in a different area than where you spend most of your time in. Thinking you're nearly unidentifiable, not caring about the locals since you know you won't be running into them again, and thinking the local police will somehow have a tougher time finding you since you're not a local. Edit: not sure which word caused this to be auto-removed.

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ColdJay64 t1_j968be2 wrote

IMO part of it is the media, this is one of the many effects of sensational and over-reporting of crime - people get the impression that they can come into the city and get away with it.

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mountjo t1_j96a6kp wrote

Yup. Keep calling Philly lawless online and people are gonna act like it.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j96lxjl wrote

Because it is.

The PPD is a joke, law enforcement on the streets doesn't exist, and everyone knows it.

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Scumandvillany t1_j96au0e wrote

Two things can be true: Philadelphia is relatively lawless

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LFKhael t1_j96g6os wrote

It's the same shit in New Orleans.

Most of the insane footage you see from Mardi Gras is drunk assholes from somewhere else.

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tossup17 t1_j96nt41 wrote

Definitely part of it. Just look at all the narratives and commentators joking about how Philadelphia was going to be anarchy and chaos whether the Eagles won or lost. It feeds into outside people thinking that's what they have to do, when the reality is the people that actually live here aren't like that. Philly never riots when a team loses, we just get sad and drunk.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j96losb wrote

Well statistically they can come in and get away with it. The PPD clearance rate and DA prosecution rates are a joke.

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SpauldingSmails18 t1_j96968b wrote

I’ve never had the privilege of visiting Upper Darby but I’ve been there a ton

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Lunamothknits t1_j96e2h5 wrote

-whispers- I've been bitching about this for years.

People think the city is just soooooo scary. The county has plenty of its own criminals, and they often come here to fuck around. They've been treating the city as their personal playground for a while. I mean, look at the stats on who's down on the Ave seeking a fix.

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go_berds t1_j96g33y wrote

I agree with most of what you said but I’m fairly confident that most people riding ATVs down broad are from the city

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ylli101 t1_j96hjv1 wrote

Actually you’d be surprised, a good amount are people from the suburbs (no joke). They trailer their dirt bikes, atvs, side by sides etc and ride them through the city and then load them back up and go home.

I’ve witnessed it, others have as well and it’s actually crazy if you think about it. I’m not saying that their are city dwellers that dont do it too but shockingly a good amount are suburbia people.

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Vague_Disclosure t1_j96lzim wrote

This guy literally has a picture of his dirtbike in the bed of a pickup on 28th st

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ylli101 t1_j96nyfd wrote

Exactly, it’s a good mix of suburbia and city people but I have found these huge huge packs of the bike life people are the suburban people. You see the occasional few dirt bikes doing wheelies and that’s city folk.

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YoungMuppet t1_j969v5b wrote

This is definitely worth discussion. I'd be curious to see if there is a way to measure it, if it is a statistically significant occurrence.

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datruesurfer t1_j96eb3o wrote

We need tougher judges across the board. This girl was killed in Manayunk a few years ago by her own father. But the whole thing started with a custody dispute in bucks county family court. Judge flat out ignored all the warning signs and granted unsupervised shared custody to a mentally unstable man.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j96mnzn wrote

Part of the problem is that judges have to weigh the avaliable space in prisons to comply with court orders about prison crowding.

The way we elect judges isn't good, and it results in people who should not be on the bench making terrible decisions, however it's also not entirely the fault of judges when bad outcomes happen due lack of available prison space.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_j96ejvl wrote

Well keep in mind that police are the literal enemy in the city, making it easy for shitheads from the county to come in and cause trouble, because it’s pretty well known there won’t be consequences. Suburban counties actually put people in jail making it less attractive to losers like this kid to do shit there instead of making the short drive to the city.

Then factor in how short handed PPD is since it’s been made abundantly clear to them (see my first article) that they aren’t wanted and are unliked, and it becomes a self fulfilling problem and is an inevitable downward spiral that will only cost the city and it’s residents in the long run.

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SnapCrackleMom t1_j96k56x wrote

The articles are saying that Miles Pfeffer is well known to law enforcement in Bucks so I'd say that particular suburban county has failed to provide adequate consequences in this case.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_j96kr22 wrote

For what, though? Could be known for anything, including his propensity to go into the city to commit crimes.

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