Submitted by byzvntine t3_11dan3c in pittsburgh
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Logical-Hornet6448 t1_ja7jb57 wrote
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
BlueBunnie5 t1_ja7jtns wrote
…after she shot at officers
ShuinoZiryu t1_ja7k0wl wrote
So did this lady actually fire at the police? No one mentions hearing anything outside the 5 shots the police took...
OllieFromCairo t1_ja7k7di wrote
Information they certainly could have chosen to include in the original headline too.
throwaway01002030405 t1_ja7l3lm wrote
This is definitely a valid question but the eyewitness who heard the five shots said she talked to someone else who said the woman was shooting at the cops. So, definitely hearsay, but something to start with
isthatwhathappened t1_ja7l3xu wrote
What an absolutely terrible headline…”Women killed after shooting at police” would be much more accurate.
askmeaboutmysciatica t1_ja7l8vp wrote
Also relevant info, but still relevant and correct to say cops killed her. I don’t think anyone in this scenario would be mad at that.
Festival_Vestibule t1_ja7mpci wrote
You can probably let that phrase go at this point. We've all seen it, it's not clever.
lWishItWastheWeekend t1_ja7n0eb wrote
To be fair, I was reading about this story on social media and it appears that she did shoot at people. None of her family members or friends (including one who was with her) are blaming the police for her death. Unfortunately it looks like she had a lot of mental health issues throughout her life. One would like to see the police be able to incapacitate someone in this situation without killing them, especially someone who is having a breakdown, but I guess they aren’t trained to do that.
jnissa t1_ja7ofna wrote
I think there are a lot of situations (most) in which we could/should expect cops to incapacitate somebody, but taking active fire isn't one of them. They're trained to *not* shoot to incapacitate for their own safety.
myhouseisabanana t1_ja7p2jw wrote
You’re forgetting a part
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o_c_d t1_ja7sdvb wrote
But apropos.
OllieFromCairo t1_ja7sg5w wrote
No, I am not. The headline writer might have forgotten the part you’re thinking of. I’m just editing what they wrote.
OllieFromCairo t1_ja7soqn wrote
The article says “She was shot and killed by police,” and gives context for why—she was shooting at the police, the police claim.
The ARTICLE is actually pretty good. The headline is not.
SendAstronomy t1_ja7sy5y wrote
Jeez. It takes real effort to make a headline misleading in both directions.
Open_Philosopher8020 t1_ja7u487 wrote
Read the article next time, pivoting in real time makes you look like a clown
myhouseisabanana t1_ja7ugf8 wrote
It’s an attempt at ginning people up who are too lazy to read the article. And it works.
ballsonthewall t1_ja7v9jq wrote
you basically have to assume every local news story is designed to generate the most clicks possible
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Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_ja7yuf7 wrote
The people who think police can reasonably just aim for the legs or hands need to have exposure to firearms that isn’t just from cinema.
dannygloversghost t1_ja7zinn wrote
Fucking PLEASE. At the very least let yourself graduate to “fuck around and find out” – it’s only been overused for like the past ten years, not twenty.
SirPsychoSquints t1_ja809ka wrote
Officer involved shooting usually means an officer shot someone. Which I think is the opposite of what you’re saying?
blargsamerow t1_ja82d6c wrote
90% of journalism these days is coming up with a clickbait headline that will just piss people off
da_london_09 t1_ja86pg7 wrote
They also forget things like the femoral artery...
gruhfuss t1_ja884f8 wrote
It’s the best way to drive clicks. A lot of commercial journalism is just clicks and ad views now.
Just_Learned_This t1_ja886mn wrote
Good news! there's also radial arteries.
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enemy_of_your_enema t1_ja8alyl wrote
Maybe because the police and an anonymous friend of a bystander are the only sources for the "she shot first" claim, and police sometimes lie after shootings, so they didn't want to present an unconfirmed statement as fact?
unforgiven91 t1_ja8cb9v wrote
"sometimes" is being generous. Remember the initial uvalde reports? Or the initial reports on the Tyre murder?
cops lie ALL THE TIME
unforgiven91 t1_ja8cgkj wrote
assuming that the cops aren't lying about it
ollieoxblood t1_ja8d796 wrote
"Officer involved shooting" is the stupidest phrase, and I pray for its retirement from common use.
A police officer shot and killed a woman. Stop using passive voice. You can absolutely include the relevant information that the woman shot at police in the headline without making it seem as though the woman ran into the cop's bullet.
Willow-girl t1_ja8f6y9 wrote
If only tranquilizer darts weren't just for wild animals ...
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isthatwhathappened t1_ja8kifj wrote
Yeah, so let’s use the headline to imply the police shot first with absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever…riiiight.
enemy_of_your_enema t1_ja8l5bg wrote
The headline does not imply that.
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JAK3CAL t1_ja8mb5s wrote
Seriously? This woman came out shooting, allegedly. An errant bullet could kill a child, or a pregnant mother, or anyone else honestly.
It’s unfortunate, but ending this situation seems imperative to the greater public’s safety and doing it by lethal force is justifiable to me.
burritoace t1_ja8narh wrote
It's mostly an attempt to avoid describing exactly who killed who
rave_is_king_ t1_ja8rfla wrote
This is Reddit. ACAB
heili t1_ja8s00h wrote
Only the cops and some unnamed bystander who said they heard that a woman shot at the cops.
So no actual confirmation.
Let's see the body cam video.
heili t1_ja8s54a wrote
Said police.
I'll wait for video.
CARLEtheCamry t1_ja9ecwn wrote
OK then use a bolo like Batman, problem solved.
Festival_Vestibule t1_ja9k9oo wrote
For a teenage edgelord, sure.
o_c_d t1_ja9pxrz wrote
You seem versed.
apitbullnamedzeus t1_jaa11ut wrote
Yeah the cops should run through a hail of gunfire and restrain the shooter.
Excelius t1_jaa69pd wrote
Tranq darts don't work like they do in the movies. The target doesn't drop instantly. Even nature documentaries tend to make them seem quicker than they actually are due to editing for time.
Here's a Youtube video involving tranquilizing an African Wild Dog in real time:
https://youtu.be/k4D2pDk4Yvw?t=35
The shot is taken at the 35s mark. The wild dog runs away and even ends up coming back to continue eating it's prey. By about the four minute mark it's starts stumbling around drunkenly, and then only goes down after about five minutes.
How much damage could a human with a gun cause in that amount of time? Plus unlike animals, humans have hands and are likely to rip out a dart before it's had a chance to inject it's full payload.
Ultimately they're just darts of medical sedatives. A bigger dose could theoretically produce a faster effect, but an overdose can easily kill someone. Unlike in surgery you're not going to be able to have an anesthesiologist to carefully administer the proper dose in real-time and monitor the subjects vitals.
It's already a controversial practice for police to have agitated and uncooperative individuals sedated with ketamine by responding EMTs, and even that can lead to severe complications and death despite the administration being done by medical professionals. Giving police pre-loaded darts to shoot at people without medical supervision would be disastrous.
JAK3CAL t1_jaaagfg wrote
I’m good I’d like her to be shot for the safety of those around her
Festival_Vestibule t1_jaabuyz wrote
It's funny to watch you struggle. What else ya got, nerd.
barsmart t1_jaaf472 wrote
Remember folks, most everything you read nowdays is brought to you via advertising money. Including this reply.
What is the main objective of advertising? To change minds.
That said, the headline should read:
"Pittsburgh Area Woman Killed By Police After Allegedly Shooting At Them"
God damn it that is boring, factual and unlikely to cause clicks, shares and 500 comments that sell more ads after every reload.
CARLEtheCamry t1_jaai9yt wrote
What about some elaborate Scooby Doo vilan-esque plan where we get her to surrender with a harmonica and tissue paper
JAK3CAL t1_jaajpul wrote
“I woulda gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for you meddling kids” - Ravenstahl, maybe
EvetsYenoham t1_jaam7ym wrote
Police can absolutely fire first if a fatal threat is perceived. Now, whether it was warranted or not, who knows…
pinkaluminum t1_jab48rc wrote
Suicide by cop?
Willow-girl t1_jaba7tx wrote
I was kinda joking there! But thanks, I learned something from your post.
Leather_Attorney_656 t1_jac3cff wrote
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burritoace t1_jac4zo2 wrote
I get this attitude, but I don't really think an article with that headline would see meaningfully less traffic. Local news is just overly deferential to the police and thus largely incapable of handling this issue fairly.
Excelius t1_jacy84d wrote
Unfortunately you see a lot of misinformed stuff when it comes to self-defense and use of force, so it's hard to tell sometimes. I've seen tons of people make the "tranq dart" suggestion completely seriously.
At any rate, hope someone found the info helpful.
barsmart t1_jad1b4e wrote
Every single news headline written in the past 5 years has been done so with the goal of maximum penetration into social media. The media corps pay a lot of money to 'experts' on SEO, social media placement and trending.
If you put my headline next to the one that was used - I have no doubt that mine would get picked last most of the time.
burritoace t1_jad9sqm wrote
I understand what you're getting at, I just think this particular issue has another layer of complexity. "Pittsburgh Area Woman Killed by Police" is actually a more inflammatory headline in some ways, so there is something else going on here. Given that the police seem to be one of the only institutions that get this kind of kid-glove treatment by local media it is safe to assume there is a reason.
barsmart t1_jadcrv7 wrote
I wouldn't even know who to compare the police to when it comes to headlines.
What other feet-on-the-ground public service gets treated worse by the media?
burritoace t1_jadhogb wrote
Very strange. This is a case where the police are getting soft treatment by the media which they extend to nobody else. Plenty of other institutions don't enjoy this kind of treatment.
barsmart t1_jado03t wrote
Premise is faulty.
Local media is very soft when dealing with all EMS and Fire services, to the point of not even reporting on things like Brentwood losing their EMS.
Local media is also very soft on new car dealers because of how much they pay for ads on the local market.
Local media is soft on local media... Bill Hillgrove slams his car into a grocery store at 2x the DUI limit, walks in to pick up a prescription and you have to dig for the article because the local media is busy talking about how he still calls games at 82. Don Cannon freaks out on air and no other stations covered it. (Little factoid, that nights show is the only one missing from the WTAE archive.)
Nobody else? Disagree.
OllieFromCairo t1_ja7hxjk wrote
I really wish news organizations would stop with that baloney phrasing.
"Police kill woman in Pittsburgh's St. Clair neighborhood," is what actually happened.