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Showerbeerz413 t1_iw01qtl wrote

tbh I don't think it has anything to do with people not caring about what happened At the debate and trusting fettermans ability to recover. I think most of the people who votes for Fetterman would have voted for a corpse over voting for OZ. Which I agree with.

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James19991 t1_iw02v8o wrote

Fetterman didn't have a good debate, but Oz didn't do a thing to make himself seem more likeable that night either.

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Showerbeerz413 t1_iw09qo6 wrote

oh yea, no. he's too close to being a Bond villain to be likeable

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mattmentecky t1_iw0x81t wrote

That’s unfair to Bond villains.

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Hduebskfiebchek t1_iw13ujw wrote

Right. Bond villains don’t kill hundreds of dogs in misguided medical experiments.

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nmezib t1_iw1ikfo wrote

Bond villains know how to make a veggie tray

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GuavaShaper t1_iw11jce wrote

I heard somewhere that Oz's gaff about abortions being between a woman, her doctor, and local politicians (if it was even a gaff) was the most quoted and talked about thing from that debate.

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GogglesTheFox t1_iw1dv6w wrote

As soon as he said it, Fetterman’s Team had grabbed the quote and ran with it like they were in the Pierogi Race at PNC Park. It was the first thing that showed up the moment you Googled anything about the debate. As much as I hated that he did the debate. His team made up for it in spades.

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immigrantpatriot OP t1_iw237sa wrote

His digital team was amazing, I hope more Dems will take notice!

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James19991 t1_iw1m6q4 wrote

Yeah, the clip of Oz saying that got significantly more views than any of Fetterman's rough moments speaking that night

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doctorlongghost t1_iw2vq0z wrote

It’s such a ridiculous thing to say too. It’s like some shit that an AI algorithm would write when trying to sound like a political moderate. If you ask the American electorate whether A) abortion should be legal in all states, B) abortion should be illegal everywhere, C) abortion legal in some states and illegal in others. No one is actually going to prefer C and get jazzed over it.

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jkeyc t1_iw1hj50 wrote

I think that this undersells Fettermans ability to move people to the polls who wouldn’t otherwise be going

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B-BoyStance t1_iw3mxy8 wrote

Yeah I think a lot of people knew who Fetterman was before the stroke, do not care about the stroke/think it will impact his performance, and then voted accordingly

Also I watched the debate and could understand what he was saying/trying to say. I hope he makes a full recovery but even if he doesn't, it isn't like he can't communicate. If he doesn't speak fast enough for some, I'm sorry for them that they're so impatient.

If he doesn't recover he might not be able to make huge public pushes for things like legalization, but he'll still be able to vote and push legislation through. Would also imagine his office will actually give a shit and help people that reach out to them.

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crothwood t1_iw1o7ks wrote

I mean, they show pretty clear evidence that the exact date of the debate had a visible impact on Oz and Fetterman's ratings.

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goetic_cheshire t1_iw56xcy wrote

Best way I heard it, "I'd have voted for Fetterman if he had been blinking in Morse code."

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Jack_Sandwich t1_iw0y8eu wrote

Loads of them had already cast early ballots by the time the debate took place. That’s why Fetterman’s campaign kept delaying the scheduling. If it had happened a month prior, it’s reasonable to think the <2% margin would have tilted. Oz was a terrible candidate but post-debate he gained several points in polling. It just happened too late in the campaign cycle.

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WhyHulud t1_iw2ks8d wrote

I cast my ballot for John on Election Day. And it wasn't because I wanted to vote against Oz (that was just a nice perk). John's done a lot of good work at the local and state level. He's mostly stayed true to his word. And he even got something done at the federal level before he was elected.

I think your argument is high grade copium.

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pAul2437 t1_iw7medo wrote

What work of his at the local level did you like?

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WhyHulud t1_iw7smlp wrote

pAul! You're alive! I am genuinely happy that you didn't fall into a pit of despair from which you could never climb out.

Well, before I answer that, what of his work do you not like? Seems you've got the Catalog of Fetterman Accomplishments there. Why would you vote for a quack doctor instead?

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pAul2437 t1_iw7u2ym wrote

I didn’t vote for oz.

I really like fettermans common sense approach on fracking. It made sense in braddock to have a well.

How about you?

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WhyHulud t1_iw7vi50 wrote

It doesn't bother me that he supported a gas well there, assuming it was done in an ecologically sound way. And obviously it couldn't be done, or USS wouldn't accept having to do it that way and not make obscene profit, because the deal fell through last year.

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pAul2437 t1_iw8cydw wrote

I gave you mine. what work on the local level did you like?

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WhyHulud t1_iw8dic4 wrote

The work he did in Braddock. Building a community center from an abandoned church, youth programs, jobs programs. He put a lot of love into that town. It was amazing to see first-hand.

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mistergrime t1_iw16qc3 wrote

Less than two percent margin? What results are you reading?

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AnxiousCat9782 t1_iw30m27 wrote

I just love you armchair psychics. And maybe people in PA aren't as stupid and redneck as to vote for a NJ resident that spent the summer in Ireland and made a handful more appearances than Senator Fetterman did. I mean, fgs, trump lost PA. What made anyone think a candidate he endorsed would win?

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jrrackerley t1_iw4cbyh wrote

Your point about the Fetterman camp adopting a strategy to benefit as much as possible from pre-debate early voting is valid.

I think you’re likely over-rating how many voters would’ve changed their mind or not voted had they seen Fetterman’s debate performance though. The electorate is very polarized and, what’s more, understands that a senator has relatively little he or she has to actually do compared to, say, a governor.

You concede Oz was a horrible candidate. He was. Oz was also on the ballot with Mastrioni who managed to be just as bad, though for different reasons. It was a clownshow.

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Hage1in t1_iw17fm1 wrote

I mean you basically did. Dude is barely reading aloud at a third grade level

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crothwood t1_iw1obpv wrote

Said no one who has actually heard him speak.

Feel free to observe for yourself as you watch his victory speech.

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Hage1in t1_iw1qiun wrote

Just say you didn’t watch the debate and only voted for the letter next to his name. The guy is starting speeches by saying “good night”. He’s unwell

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NiceDecnalsBubs t1_iw2jpe8 wrote

I did watch the debate, and as an educated human 1) I understand that aphasia after a stoke does not imply that the person has impaired cognition. He is able to read and write clearly and his issue lay speaking. His prognosis is good, and his recovery is ongoing, as evidenced by his greatly improved speaking during his victory speech. Should a person be disqualified from public office becasue they have a speech impediment? 2) Even if he did have some true cognitive decline, I (and many others) would still trust his ability to govern over those that are seeking to strip women's (and LGBTQIA+) rights, suppress voting rights, increase the income gap, and adhere to fascist principles.

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crothwood t1_iw2v6ij wrote

Feel free to observe his ability for speaking for yourself as you watch his victory speech.

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