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Corrupted_G_nome t1_ir3fccg wrote

Reply to comment by Fantastic_Beans in Study: Shifting to Plant-Based Diet Important for Colorectal Cancer Prevention by BoundariesAreFun

Its a western thing. Unfortunately sometimes other cultures immitate it and the results are becomming wide spread.

The heathiest people eat meat occasionally amd on holidays (blue zones! They do light but regular labor and don't have access to highways. Their economies are slow and the folks who live lingest are women taking care of many grandkids.

Keep busy and keep communities close and do everything but in moderation. Slow down and relax and you may just live forever.

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DigitalSteven1 t1_ir41v1k wrote

>The heathiest people eat meat occasionally amd on holidays

Got a source for this out of the ass statistic that is actually worth reading?

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healthmadesimple t1_ir4a215 wrote

Not OP, but I read Blue Zones which had to do with centireans and longevity. There were some examples but keep in mind there are so many other reasons too like exercise and exceptions to the rules.

If you look at countries that have the best health there is no indicators that they are on plant based diets.

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HungerMadra t1_ir4apyr wrote

Also I read an interesting observation that all the blue zones have universal Healthcare that focus on preventative care. While diet may be important, so is making sure everyone gets regular doctor visits.

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healthmadesimple t1_ir4d0r9 wrote

Excercise, great social health and community, and loweric caloric intake.

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Corrupted_G_nome t1_ir55mnd wrote

Sure the US department of health. The Heart and Stroke foundation. The new Canadian food guide. The WHO recommends it too.

So its common knowledge and generally accepted and provable via science. The reason is simple, trans fats and salts. People simply eat far too much and get sick.

Blue zones were discovered through study so that is its own datum.

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healthmadesimple t1_ir6dmdj wrote

Isn’t almost trans fat consumption from hydrogenated vegetable oils and some margarines which are plant based and not meat based?

Doesn’t ruminant trans fats (from dairy) have less health risk than trans fats from hydrogenated vegetable oil and margarine?

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Corrupted_G_nome t1_ir6feif wrote

Nope, if it returns to solid at room temperature its semi solid inside you and can lead to health issues over a long term. Trans fats do resolidify.

People seem to think animals have some magical quality that makes them different. The cow got its fats (and proteins) from plants. Its made of the same stuff as you or I and we basically synthesize the same nutrients. Other than insoluble fiber that ruminants have a yeast ally to break down your building blocks and its building nlocks are made of the same stuff.

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healthmadesimple t1_ir6jtes wrote

The reason why vegetable trans fat is called “artificial trans fat” is because it’s not naturally occurring in plants

Artificial trans fats (or trans fatty acids) are created in an industrial process that adds hydrogen to liquid vegetable oils to make them more solid.

You may be right, functionally similar to natural ruminant trans fat

Except that foods containing ruminant trans fat has small amount while processed foods containing partially hydrogenated vegetable oils has a lot more.

Tl;dr: most of the trans fat consumption in the US is from plants not from meat due to high consumption of highly processed foods.

The reason? Crops like soy, corn and canola are highly subsidized and are used in a lot of food processing

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Corrupted_G_nome t1_ir6nvuk wrote

Yeah its mostly processed foods. That McD's apple.pie has something like 2000x the daily recommended intake. Its super gross XD

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musexistential t1_ir4m5lv wrote

One of the blue zones is known for veganism. What studies have shown that occasional meat is superior to a no meat healthy whole food diet?

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Corrupted_G_nome t1_ir55xkn wrote

Blue zones is referring to a study.

Its recommended by many countries health associations including the US, Canada and the WHO. Both government and NGO seem to come to the same findings. Limited meat diets are better than high in meat diets. Im not sure the same rigor goes into studying vegan or vegetarian diets.

I thibk just less fat and less salt typically found in cheap meat is bad for the heart.

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gotchostupidass t1_ir4roic wrote

Correlation ≠ causation. You can consume meat 3 times a day and be a perfectly healthy individual like myself who lifts weights, runs, etc. Overconsumption of food is what leads to obesity, which ultimately leads to CVD if something else doesn’t get you first.

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Corrupted_G_nome t1_ir567wd wrote

Thats not what the data shows. Fitness is not equal to health, one cannot see clogging arteries or excess fat on the heart.

Obviously being active and working out is healthy.

One can also smoke a pack of cigs a day and drink whisky and never work out and be healthy for decades. Observation is not data. Correlation can be positively correlated otherwise thats just whataboutism one could say for anything. But is gravity really due to mass? Correlation is not causality. Like please, thats a bad faith argument.

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gotchostupidass t1_ir5hxaz wrote

My LDL to HDL ratio and my triglycerides are completely okay in my results. Of course it’s important to regularly test yourself and see how you respond to consumption. I am a healthy individual and I don’t encounter issues with regular red meat consumption.

Of course someone can smoke regularly and be lucky to be healthy in the long run but of course the risk of all sorts of issues are incredibly high, and that level of risk is not comparable to the weak associations found in observational studies on red meat.

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