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lavachat t1_irlx4d0 wrote

Reply to comment by SemanticTriangle in Heavy-load exercise in older adults activates vasculogenesis and has a stronger impact on muscle gene expression than in young adults (Oct 2022) by basmwklz

Involuntarily training stops in 70+ due to fractures and longer healing periods, dizziness, fall risks, joint pain etc are common.

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SemanticTriangle t1_irlxfv9 wrote

Have you seen the cross sections of muscle mass for people who kept training, even interrupted by injury, to the people who aged with sedentary lifestyles? It's night and day. Things get more difficult, but in an 80/20 sense the majority of frailty we associate with old age is the result of cessation of activity, rather than the cessation of activity being caused by the frailty of old age.

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WebtoonThrowaway99 t1_irm2h0t wrote

>Have you seen the cross sections of muscle mass for people who kept training, even interrupted by injury, to the people who aged with sedentary lifestyles?

No, where can I see it?

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antiquemule t1_irma7ni wrote

Just click on the underlined words in the previous post - it's a link to an illustrated scientific paper.

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zbbrox t1_irn0llm wrote

I mean, older people get less active for a reason. There's obviously a vicious cycle here.

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SemanticTriangle t1_irn5poe wrote

Note that my original comment was not a comment about those that kept training and lost condition, but about those that stopped training or never started. The paper I linked clearly shows a downward trend and we all anecdotally feel the effects of age.

The universe doesn't care. If you do not use it, you will lose it. Age will get us all, but remember: what do we say to the god of death?

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GlandyThunderbundle t1_irnn5g4 wrote

>Age will get us all, but remember: what do we say to the god of death?

Oooooh! I know this one:

wingardium leviosa

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Strazdas1 t1_irr6k6n wrote

>what do we say to the god of death?

How soon?

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throwawaytrumper t1_irom529 wrote

It’s often injury. I work a physical job and I’m surrounded by guys with persistent physical injuries to their joints and backs.

At 41 the only reason I’m not among them is because I heal stupidly quickly and thoroughly, I still work out hard and do challenging physical tasks but I sometimes wonder when or if the healing will start to go away.

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Strazdas1 t1_irr6osh wrote

Anecdotally, i see a lot of people in construction being forced to retirement due to back injuries in the 40-50 age group.

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neomateo t1_irn2uy9 wrote

What would that reason be?

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TheDeadGuy t1_irn6st0 wrote

More pain and slower recovery

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neomateo t1_irn8rd1 wrote

I disagree, it’s attitude for most.

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TheDeadGuy t1_irnafro wrote

You disagree that things are more painful and recovery is slower?

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neomateo t1_irngx70 wrote

I disagree with the assertion that reduced recovery and pain is the primary reason people slow down. While that may be an effect, it’s secondary or tertiary to the greater effect of their mental perspective on life.

There’s a huge attitude problem with many people that only gets worse as they age “I hate exercise”, “ I’m done with that period of my life”. People use their age as an excuse to “take it easy” rather than a reason to keep moving.

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McBleezy8 t1_irogb4b wrote

Regarding your original point that those that stopped lost interest. There doesn’t seem to be any evidence linking what you’re saying about “attitude.” There is evidence showing lowered mobility in those that never started or those that stopped comparable to those that kept going but there doesn’t seem to be any real studies done on causation whether that be injury or lack of interest in those that stopped.

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