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Ijustdowhateva t1_itrvfiq wrote

Reply to comment by realityglitch2017 in Our Conscious Experience of the World Is But a Memory, Says New Theory by Shelfrock77

The universe is hard deterministic, free will isn't even a discussion.

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2D_VR t1_itseri8 wrote

Something to consider about "free will" is that we can imagine multiple futures and select which we think is best. Whereas a chatbot receives a query and responds with the first think it thinks of and then stops thinking. It's like we run the same query continuously until some time limit has been reached. Making slight changes to internally determined weights. And then with some rating system select the highest scored future plan. This is a selection algorithm that still works with determinism

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Ijustdowhateva t1_itsmst2 wrote

Except you were always going to imagine those specific futures and pick that specific one.

There's no mental gymnastics to get you out of this.

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was_der_Fall_ist t1_ittd06d wrote

And yet the capacity to imagine possible futures and pick the possible actions that best align with our desires makes humans categorically distinct from, say, rocks, in a way that could easily be described using the term “free will.” Humans are a kind of being that deliberates between their possible actions and rocks aren’t, therefore we say humans have free will and rocks don’t. Determinism doesn’t really play into this view at all. Whether or not the physical laws of the universe necessitated your specific choices from the moment of the Big Bang, nevertheless you are still making those choices. You are still the kind of being that makes choices; the kind of being that deliberates between possibilities; the kind of being who is, practically speaking, free.

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Lawjarp2 t1_ittguow wrote

All possibilities occur. There is no free will when everything that can happen happens.

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red75prime t1_itvfq06 wrote

You have to be a god to observe it though. I guess that you aren't, so if you write down something like "I decided to do such and such, because so and so" and you aren't prone to procrastination and impulsivity, you'll find yourself doing that and not some other random thing. And the question is: why do you care?

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NotLondoMollari t1_itvxdfg wrote

Sure, across the multiverse. But perhaps free will is actually choosing which outcome to observe.

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Ijustdowhateva t1_ittdjxr wrote

This is a lot of cope.

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BinyaminDelta t1_ittloxr wrote

You're the one desperately trying to convince people that they have no influence over their own existence.

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Ijustdowhateva t1_ittume3 wrote

I'm not desperately trying to convince anyone of anything, your opinion on the matter has already been determined.

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