Submitted by tiny9000 t3_10ozzqp in singularity
LyubomirIko t1_j6hpfsi wrote
Replace "inevitable", with highly unlikely to ever happen.
tiny9000 OP t1_j6hpu3k wrote
Then what’s the point of AI if it’s not gonna make our life easier. Might as well stop AI advancement cause the risks are too high.
LyubomirIko t1_j6hsn68 wrote
It's systematic and psychological problem to begin with, hardly anything AI related.
Further, so called "Fully Automated Luxury Communism' requires change of the system to begin with, obviously. Current AI development is capitalistic, and I don't see something to be changed soon. AI will(is already) be used for control and profit, and military is among the most interested in the technology. I find it really absurd to believe in sugar coated utopia, given the state of society the system, the ecological problems and whatnot.
alexiuss t1_j6hx061 wrote
Current AI development isn't fully capitalistic.
Join the open source movement and help develop ais for everyone for absolutely nothing.
LyubomirIko t1_j6i0vg2 wrote
Just like the LAION database is nonprofit but actually literally is harmful to the real artists.
AI 5 years ago was a promise that it will replace boring jobs and give the people more time to create art. Currently young people give up their dreams to persue artistic career because of AI.
Meanwhile the replacement of the artist in the visual industry is based on that same nonprofit LAION database. Artists actually cannot help but "contribute" or simply put - be hostages of data scraping algorithms.
alexiuss t1_j6i40o5 wrote
The approach to absolute abundance of everything makes things cheaper. There are no careers in automated luxury communism, there is only passion to do something because you love doing it.
An artist truly passionate about drawing does not give a fuck about whether their art is converted into cash or views.
What is this negativity?
As artist, I can go outside and draw portraits on the street right now with a pencil and no AI will stop me and my hat will be filled with cash because I am making a direct person to person connection!
I can draw in Photoshop for my clients and get tons of cash because they suck at directing AI really, really bad or simply don't have time for playing with Ais.
I can combine my art skills with an AI to make amazing new things and get cash.
Fear of automation is foolish and is obviously being spread by people who aren't passionate about making art with any tools that exist without limits. I refuse to be boxed into fear mongering and imaginary suffering.
LyubomirIko t1_j6i53ua wrote
You sound like 14 years old. Artists don't eat air and can't pay bills with air.
To become artist can take 10 or more years, and it was never well played job anyway. In the face of competing with AI young artists are just forced to give up.
alexiuss t1_j6i8dia wrote
They give up because they lack passion or are bullied by people like you into a negative belief!
Look, you cannot bully me into your negative belief of "AIs are bad for artists". I've literally been drawing with oils since 1998 and no AI can stop me.
Wake up from your negative perceptions, dude! AIs are amazing tools for artists! I'm telling you this as an artist.
LyubomirIko t1_j6i9t8k wrote
Nobody can stop you from believing whatever you like. For instance that you are the driver of a self driving car, of that you are pizza chef by ordering pizza.
alexiuss t1_j6iapx7 wrote
Chess playing Ais didn't make chess game stop existing.
Career Artists will exist through human connections even if robots are better at drawing until the singularity which will obliterate every career that exists and then everyone will do what they're passionate about.
LyubomirIko t1_j6icj0k wrote
Because they aren't allowed to compete with real humans.
The same way machines aren't allowed to compete with athletes on the Olympic stadium. If machines are allowed to compete with real humans on the Olympic stadium and the other sport events - quickly the real athletes will be outperformed and won't be able to sustain their professional career.
There is no regulation about AI in arts however, so real humans art will only become something luxurious and less real artist will exists.
alexiuss t1_j6idnoi wrote
Athletes make money at stadiums by being allowed to be there.
In real life, lots of comicons have already banned AI art. It's a similar irl barrier.
Artists make the most money through human connections, AI can't take that away.
Yes, there will obviously be less of some cheap 2d artists that depend on internet showcase, but as trade there will be more AI using artists that make multimedia projects like games and movies - the barrier of entry to produce multimedia projects is way lower now.
LyubomirIko t1_j6ikg4e wrote
Athletes and chess players makes living by not competing with machines, because there is regulations.
Already small freelance artists are being replaced by AI and they have to quit and find other job. Even medium companies are cutting their experienced artist staff because they can make more profit by replacing them. Few visual industries was known to be exploiting artists anyway. It was already hard profession to be sustaining family from.
AI have the intention to replace human to human interaction anyway. There is a sighs that technology is altering our genetics or at least there is obvious boom of autism spectrum disorders.
Seeing in the future where your teacher will be an AI, the doctor will be an AI, your girl/boy friend will be an AI, the psychotherapist will be AI and so on - will just make matters worse.
Real artists are being overwhelmed and buried under ton or so called AI "art". AI "art" is real art the way deep fakes are real people. Just a mimicry that exploit the not mature ethics and morality of society. Plagiarism and mimicking, mostly not based on transformative content, but derivative that hurts directly the real artists on which is based. Artists have the full right to protest against immaturity of society that allows it.
tiny9000 OP t1_j6hthnv wrote
Haven’t goods and services gotten cheaper over time tho? Like in the past only the super rich would drive cars and fly on airplanes but now it’s cheaper so everyone can do it and I believe AI will turbocharge this eventually making everything so cheap that anyone can buy anything they want.
LyubomirIko t1_j6hwf65 wrote
Not really. Having a home 30 years ago was way cheaper than today. Having a family and kids today is far demanding, so we have demographic crisis in the development countries. Food products have gotten increasingly worse - full with additives. The stress factor living in current fast pace society is higher too. Medical care costs are getting absurdly high especially in USA.
When cars and jets were only for the super rich? You are talking about the early years of their invention. Currently they are what turns the economics of capitalism, and they for the most part aren't used for vacations as one super rich would use them. But for work. They aren't luxury, but necessary for living.
tiny9000 OP t1_j6hy1b2 wrote
If your logic is true then why pursue AI development in the first place? Are we risking getting obliterated by AGI in the future for nothing?
LyubomirIko t1_j6hzmy5 wrote
People persue AI out of curiosity, it's simple. And for profit of course. Just like Pandora myth - humanity can't help itself and stop it, nobody can really predict what is in the box.
tiny9000 OP t1_j6i0f12 wrote
I highly doubt Microsoft is investing billions of dollars into AI just out of curiosity. Profit does’t exist in a vacuum, some kind of value needs to be provided in-order to gain profit which means there is certainly alot of value in AI. It is a pandora box tho.
LyubomirIko t1_j6i1h9t wrote
Microsoft specially want absolute control and to scrape every possible data out of their customers. They strive to implement AI in Windows and be ahead of the competitors. The value of power and control is the ultimate of course.
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