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Reply to comment by sifuyee in Satellites watch 'atmospheric river' bring extreme rain to California — Satellites of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) are monitoring the weather system, revealing its various aspects including wind speeds and expected amount of rain. by BlankVerse
We need it. Just maybe not all at once
That is just how it works. Growing up in the 80s, I always wondered why people wanted to live in California, with fires all summer, mudslide causing flooding rains and massive snow dumps in the winter and earthquakes whenever. In the 2010s, the flooding rain and crushing snow vanished, and California discovered drought. Still don't know why people want to live in California, but it seems like California has two modes-flooding rain and crushing snow or drought.
Edit: (looks at downvotes) gee. I guess child me seeing all the news of fire and flood and earthquakes and me not wanting to live there has offended Californians, lol. People interviewed saying they worried every summer about fire. They've been burned out several times and lost homes to mudslides. Weird that an 12 year old might think California isn't the best of places to live.
This needs to be spread more. California is closed. Besides, it’s a hellhole. Nobody come here. Don’t ask why, just trust me and stay away.
Yeah this place sucks. The pacific is ugly and the pastries are expensive.
Exactly. You’ll hate it here. Go back to your hometown.
Try that Bugs Bunny reverse psychology on the people south of you, heh.
Skip the left turn at Albuquerque.
Because sensationalized news isn’t an accurate representation of living here, and even with the occasional mudslides, a major wildfire affecting homes less than once a year (on average), and regular drought (that part sucks but is part of our normal weather cycle), California is beautiful, has just amazing weather, and offers so much natural beauty and outdoor activities that it’s worth it.
Everyone has to compromise on something to live where they live. I’m sure the weather in your state is absolute shite much of the time. That’s your compromise for living somewhere you can afford.
For nearly perfect weather year round, and all the aforementioned natural, scenic beauty, skiing, wine, beaches, mountains, hiking, big cities, agriculture, tech industry, deserts, national parks, national forests, Yosemite, the giant sequoias, the architecture, the landmarks, etc., we opt to live with regular drought and occasional major wildfires.
We used to live in Houston, which has had some of the worst flooding in US history. I am from Florida, which sees hurricanes nearly every year. I’ve been to Ohio, where it was just 34° below 0°. I’ve stayed in Michigan, where the wind chill in the winter is regularly -17°, and the lake effects snow stops everything. I’ve been to the PNW, which is arguably beautiful but super depressing with the constant drizzle.
I’ve spent more than a month of my life in Hawaii, which is amazing. But there’s not much skiing, and they don’t really have great wine. And it rains a lot there, too. Plus, it’s HUMID.
So, yeah. California, like every other place on Earth, is imperfect. But the trade-off is worth it.
SSSHHH!!!! Don't tell people this!
California sucks. It's a shit-hole. The whole thing, top to bottom, side to side. Don't come.
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Look at one of my responses. There is data issued by the state of California that shows the years I formed this opinion were, in fact, rainier, more snow, and more fires that were normal.
Edit. Hit enter too quick. Yes, every state has a problem. All of this hostility is because I had the audacity to point out that my opinion was that parts California either had flood years or drought years. Then I had the audacity to back my childhood opinion with facts.
You’re speaking out of your ass and getting called out on it. You’re criticizing a state you’ve never lived in or experienced firsthand and dismissing those of us who actually live here. And you’re calling that “hostility.” Mmkayyy
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Your original comment was three sentences and the first and last one both were saying how you didn't understand why people live in California. It's just a silly comment based on taking the fear too far, that's why you get downvoted.
Nobody cares if it happened to be raining harder in Cali during that time and what the data shows, because it didn't cause that much chaos like the Pakistan floods or Somalian drought or something really life altering on a mass-scale. Almost all californians were fine then and are fine how, in fact we have other problems most of us would say are bigger.
I didn't understand why people wanted to live in California when I was a child of 10, 11 years old. My opinion didn't change much as I grew older, 15,16, because there really wasn't a need to review this opinion and the news hadn't really changed all that much. As an adult, my opinion of California changed, but the facts of California's rain/snow/drought remained the same.
"Nobody cares if it blah blah" yet they cared to make the OP. Somebody cared enough to comment about "not all at once." Some cared enough to say my recollection didn't happen. I really don't care about today's weather in California. What bothers me most about all of this is that on a science sub, good data supporting my opinion is provided and disregarded by so many. It was a harmless childhood opinion based on facts. It's not that my opinion is being dismissed. It's that it's being dismissed when data is provided to support the opinion. I might as well find an Arizona based MAGA science sub to follow (I know, science and MAGA don't mix) if relevant supporting data is going to be dismissed.
None of this discussion matters if we are going to bring the world extremes such as Pakistan and Somalia into play. Somebody almost always has it worse.
You don't seem to want to listen to any of the replies telling you why you are being downvoted, like I said it's not about the data you keep providing, it's the way you are talking and the sensationalism
I made a simple comment based on a childhood opinion that happened to be fact based. I was told "no that didn't happen." I provided background links. Basic response I get- "nuu- uhhh. California is perfect.40 million people can't be wrong. " Sensationalism? Presenting state supplied data is sensationalism? It doesn't get more boring. I'm sorry you're your offended. Other than Alabama Crimson Tide levels of state pride, California looks like a great state to visit.
Your Comment/s are Just Fine.
What we say here isn't going to influence the man on the moon digging out samples of cheese. All this touchy feely Bs is just that, they're still depressed they didn't get what they wanted from Santa Claus when they were five. Still stuck with cracked display 'Speak & Spell'.
Doesn't matter WTH of those who claim living there claim. The State covers close to 800 miles North to South, and none of is related from one end to the other, and I have since early 70's lived there from time to time.
I constantly watch the weather there to help out friends who live in different parts of any threat. Oceanside has been weather station on my app since Day1 1998. Or one could be at Buffalo New York, under 8' of snow, with no way to get out of their house,
or Palm Desert where I lived, and to get the mail barefoot at noon, you better have C02 fire extinguisher backpack, they will burst into flames.
Then of course Big Bear Calif, more snow, but not as cold like 55 below zero like here Northern MN. Where right now a member here is camping in tent in middle of Gun Flint Trail. The other night was barely above zero. That's one tough camper.
Plus the thought of black bears we had on the farm chewing on your toes through nylon isn't my style of chew toy. They've snuck up me in stealth mode before. When you hear breathing before branches cracking, it's stage right, right now. Cheers
That's right. 40 million people must be wrong because this place is just horrible. Crappy weather, fires, earthquakes every day. Gosh, y'all should stay in Pennsyltucky, don't move here. No more room.
Go back up the comments. I have backed my observations with Calufirnua supplied stats.
Have you visited the state? Take a trip to the coastal Redwoods in the north, Big Sur in the middle, San Diego beaches and mountains, check out Yosemite, Joshua Tree and Anza Borrego, hike a couple miles of the PCT near the Muir Wilderness, check out the Alabama Rocks near Lone Pine and then Devil's Postpile. I've visited all 50 states and lived in 6 over my six decades of living and nothing...nothing holds a candle to the Golden State.
I would absolutely love to visit California. Preferably on a 6 month plan. Wouldn't mind living there either. For the most part, all states have their built-in pros and cons.
Yes they are, as one who is stuck here, CA is the worst state in the union. For multiple reasons.
Being born here and living 99% of my life in CA, I can tell you that it was a beautiful childhood being raised in the Redwoods. We lost our home to a flood, and another was damaged by an earthquake. Living my adult life and raising children on the gorgeous Central Coast has also been a wonderful experience. We lost our home to a wildfire a few years ago. I can totally understand why 12 year old you would say no thanks to living here. Shit happens no matter where you go. California really is a beautiful state and it's home to me, can't really see myself anywhere else.
Oh, I agree. California looks like a great place, and yes, most parts of the country have natural negatives. I would love to spend 5,6 months just visiting. Adult me sees the whole picture. Kid me says no, lol.
Umm… none of these is even accurate. We rarely get rain, we hardly had any fires this year, and crushing snow isn’t a thing. We get our water from the snow melt, so more snow = less drought. Oh and better skiing!
Ok. I'm getting really tired of people reading part of my comment and comprehending less, so I will walk you through it. I said, " When I was growing up," which would imply 12-21. Old enough to be becoming aware of the world, but not an adult. I also said, "in the 70s and 80s," which covers 20 years, but we only need 10, so I grew up 78-88 or so. Which is exactly right.
This is the snow I saw. Most years showing well above average and one year showing double the average. It fits with my comment of "crushing snow"
This is the rain I saw. The beginning of my time frame marks the beginning of a significant increase in rainfall, a state wide increase that lasts years. Except I don't have the stats available to show that it is an increase, so this is California normal.
[This is the fire I saw](http://Long-term trends in wildfire damages in California https://emlab.ucsb.edu/sites/default/files/documents/wildfire-brief.pdf) My idea for California's fire scene also developed on a peak period. It dropped off in th 90s before climbing.
My interpretation of California being a snow bound, flooding, burnt to hell state is statistically backed up for the time frame relevant to me, as was stated in my comment. Looking at the data I posted, California is drying out, getting less snow, and burning more. The Central valley has sunk 28 feet due to ground water not being replenishec.replenished.
You are establishing a drying out, dying environment as the great normal. This is how environmental destruction spreads because too many people today ignore older people who talk about how different their childhood was. You believe their experience is the ideal normal.
just fyi, your personal experience isn't even close to what the majority of californians experience. The majority of people have always lived in or around the LA or SF area and did not experence these crushing snows or flooding you are talking about. When I was growing up there, I remember only one hailstorm in the silicon valley. That was about as bad as you got in terms of cold weather for the majority of the people who live in California....
Reread my comments. Now read them again. This isn't my personal experience. It's what I saw on the news in the 80s. Look at the post. See the blue words? Those are links to data from the state of Caliirnia that support what I claimed to have seen on the news. See the link to the Sierra Nevada snowfall? See how low relative to average it is becoming? That snow pack is where LA gets a lot of water. LA might have nothing but pretty weather, but LA is getting thirsty.
So basically you claim doom and high water and wondered why anybody would want to go and live in California without actually experiencing anything yourself from the place you are criticising.... man have you ever even traveled out of your state?
Yes, I have. Traveled out of the country as well. I would actually like to visit California. The state looks magnificent.
"So basically you claim " look at all my comments. Flood, snow, drought, and fire comments are backed by state of California data.
This is the second time I have pointed out to you that I included links to data supporting my opinion.
As I said in my original response and the response that triggered you, it is a childhood opinion, based on facts that I have posted links to.
If you read all of my comments, drought is where California is heading.
Sigh… okay, literal Boomer.
(If you’re older than me, you’re a Boomer.)
Ah. But now that you said ‘78, you’re younger than me. Jesus, man. You’re a terrible Gen Xer.
Why terrible?
And half the fires are caused by a power company they aren't even progressive enough to properly regulate, let alone make state owned like PPE deserves.
Plus the high cost of Power, found this out 2000 - 02 living there. It must be a bit higher now.
But not having solar of various types would be a crime.
Had I put pipes throughout in the walls exposed - I'd never need a hot water heater or furnace. The attached garage was always 220F - and AC in the house set to 80F. Probably typical for most there in Palm Desert.
But at cool off of the night was my Fav'd moment to head to street fair Palm Springs. It's like chilly 48F, but the heat wave from earth is like heated bathroom tiles bathing you in warm air. One would have to pay thousands to sample this lovely effect. Cheers
I'm in California and have been for a while. It's ironic you're being downvoted, because you're right. California's climate is cyclical, the last several decades have been several years of drought followed by flooding. I will say that California being huge is probably part of the disconnect. Northern and southern California have very different climates, and a climate disaster in one part of California could easily be 500 miles away from the Californians hearing about it on the news.
I'm not sure why people are downplaying the fires though. I'll never forget the 911 call where the caller asked where to go to escape the fire and the dispatcher could only say "I'm sorry, I don't know."
California's just like everywhere else. Mostly, life is normal. Sometimes, bad stuff happens.
I live in TN and racist hillbillies scare me more than a fire. I'd move to Cali if I could afford it.
Northern California and Southern California are so different in environment and politics they could easily be 2 states.
California drought cycles are huge and extreme. The last 150 have been very wet, yet there was a 200 year drought about 500 years ago that was worse than what we are seeing today. As dry as the last 20 years have been, it needs to continue for another 100 years to get California back to its long-term normal.
I would still love to visit. 200 years is way past my expiration date.
Yeah I don't know man. It's pretty cool to be able to run on the beach 345 plus days a year
I don't know either. I lived in Florida for a while, 2 minute walk to the beach. The beach lost its magic and became just another place.
Right? It’s been SO ANNOYING this week that I haven’t been able to run on the beach during the rain. And then I think about that problem and I laugh.
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The literal definition of California is Hot Furnace. The 20th century was unusual.
Unusually wet.
Also See Texas: California waxes and waines droughts 4 always.
No. Not always. The last 150 years have been historically (as in fossil record) wet. 500 years or so ago, there was a 200-year drought that was more in line with the long-term record. The drought from 2000 to now is some of the driest years.
What does all this mean? My original opinion, developed as a child, is that California is either getting flooded, crushed by snow, or having drought fires is backed by state of California data, and the fossil record shows that California has since 800 swung between 200 year droughts and floods.
Yes, I would certainly like to visit. There is so much natural beauty. But judging by all the comments, Californians are easily offended and don't need facts to back their opinion.
Well, I'm not offended. I've lived in Cali 62 years.. from orange county to del Norte County. And places inbetween like fresno county. And I've seen drought, extreme drought to out of drought. Just my personal perspective. I've seen the mud slides from 1967 I've seen the fires in shasta county 2019 thru present. I've seen the big ice shove in Minnesota that's no fun . Hurricanes and tornadoes in Florida and Texas. Tornadoes in Missouri and Arkansas. Flooding, fires, drought in Colorado. So most places especially now with the climate changing there is really no place that doesn't have its fair share of devastation. Me, I do love the state of California. It's rivers, lakes, Forrest it's desert. It's magnificent ocean. It's progressive. It's high taxes, and out priced homes. It has the 7th largest economy in the world. It Can always be improved but, who's state couldn't? anyone who lives here who can't be loyal to California should move to somewhere they can love it everday.
I agree with you. Most areas have an undesirable aspect. Those that don't probably don't have desirable aspects, lol. I would love to visit. California has much to offer. My area is prone to oppressive heat and humidity, along with tornadoes.
Yeah, 80s kid, and in the midwest we were taught even then about yearly wildfires, mudslides, earthquakes, etc.
Part of me thought it would be exciting to visit. Try to outrun a fire by diving into a flooding river only to have the river vanish into an earthquake fault. Wait, that was the Land of the Lost.
I'm not offended. Spit your truth, you don't need uovotes
Yea but you know it won't happen that way. It'll be a gully washer and mess up more of CA if that's possible.
In SoCal, this is hardly a “gully washer.” It’s neither hard enough or deep enough.
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Hope you get enough and a little more. You folks so need it. Keeping my fingers crossed for ya.
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Yeh... Kind of sucks it is so much at one time.
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