bc 36 is not enough and 60 is too much

A whole 2 days.
We are so fucked as a country rn when it comes to money vs gun violence.

You might have a point if its long guns. But, if it was a handgun, you're probably out of your depth.

I can't even parse that. So, these people should be mourned less because it was a handgun vs an AR? My comment was about how the machine of commerce (in this case NCAA Men's Basketball) cannot be stopped for more than 2 freaking days for 3 people dead.
That's the money in this case.

i admire your restraint, but don't even bother anymore discussing shit with these idiots. we can't even grieve anymore without some stupid jackass trying to gatekeep about firearms

thanks for your incredible insight

"So, these people should be mourned less because it was a handgun vs an AR?"

Thats not what I said.

What I was saying was, that the causes of their deaths -- the gun involved and how the shooter got it -- might not be easy to figure out and solve. And preventing future murders like those might not be as simple as "pass law for less guns" or "its The gun lobby's problem".

You let me speak for myself. And do not bemoan problems you don't want answers for.

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Guaranteed that guy has one line “you’re out of your depth”, that he posts into every gun conversation regardless of context

You can tell because it makes no sense in this context

How dumb do you have to be to contradict a gun control argument that nobody has made yet

How about the time Australia banned guns after a mass shooting? They never had another after

And the UK? They did the same after a mass shooting. No issues after that.

But in America where we have 1 mass shooting a day on average? We can’t even bring up a gun ban lol

Nobody cares about the nuances of your stupidity.

It’s bad when a deranged shooter can obtain the power to cancel athletic events for 48 hours. Reactions can sometimes cause people to make decisions that are not necessarily related to the crime.

No one is speaking for you, they're just telling you your take is dumb

Well see these guys a couple hundred years ago said...

i'm glad others are jumping in here. i really don't have the desire or energy to deal with these morons anymore

"How about the time Australia banned guns after a mass shooting? They never had another after"

Shootings in Austrailia were on a decline when that law was passed. But, even then, they've had a few, actually.

Also, the former British colony just didn't have the same style of government or gun rights the US does, so doesn't face the same complication. Not that much of the US would allow it, even if the government was structured differently.

"But in America where we have 1 mass shooting a day on average?"

And you'll never get around to solving for that, because you're largely ignorant to how which guns get into what mass shooters hands in the first place.

I doubt one even knows what the average mass shooting looks like, and simply lazily imagines its Fat Cletus getting his AR-15 today, so he could use it on the local school tomorrow. I was surprised to discover that this wasn't true.

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College basketball can wait. it's really not that important

You trivialize the Law of the Nation a bit too much, by assuming its silly due to being long lived or old.

I suppose lots of things are irrelevant and foolish because they're old, but thats not a game anyone wants to play.

Remember, "these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." You're free to speak without being arrested, Cops shouldn't have the right to just take your stuff, that you shouldn't be imprisoned and sentenced without a trial nor forced to incriminate yourself in a criminal trial nor go without a defensive attorney, and that its possible for later amendments to be drafted and ratified. And what "these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." Is the current foundation of most of the rights you currently enjoy (or complain about the government abusing).

I’m pretty sure it’s mainly handguns used, that’s always been the case. If you’re surprised that’s on you. I’ve been paying attention for a few years so I’ve seen it

I’m not talking about the former British colonies, that’s not relevant to modern times imo and no excuse. We’ve solved issues like slavery, voting rights, etc. guess what? Things can change in 200+ years.

Britains gun ban was after a school shooting in 1996

Australia fun violence was on the decline anyway? They passed that law after their FIRST mass shooting lol. No one’s passing laws like “oh this isn’t a problem and it seems to be going away on its own. We should probably pass a law about it just cuz”

Let me guess your solution. More guns? Officers in schools? We all saw Uvalde so fuck that

Lol, you go around telling others "you're probably out of your depth" and you insist we let you speak for yourself? What a deluded self-righteous chud.

It is bad! I assume you support strict gun control laws to combat this, right?

"Things can change in 200+ years."

Well, its too bad that this thing didn't change in your favor. (Also, Slavery? Voting Rights? Those were charactarized by a legalized rights deprivation, not by formally recognized criminals screwing things up for everyone)

Sorry, the gun lobby exists because the demand for guns is rather high, not because congress is so sweet on them. And its gotten higher across all demographics since 2020.

Btw, I remember being told the Republicans would support bans if they saw Black people getting more guns. But thats failed to materialize.

Now, we could look into why people aren't disarming, but... Nah, contempt for the population, or just assuming Australia and the US are alike, is easier.

"Let me guess your solution. More guns? Officers in schools?"

Just because Uvalde screwed up, doesn't mean its a bad idea, under circumstances where they're not being led by an idiot. As evidenced by the fact that one guy killed the shooter because he wasnt being hobbled by some moron chief.

Anyways... How about 10 year sentences for any violation, hole punches in drivers licenses, and system meant to catch out liars and proxy buyers before they can become trouble?

The solution certainly isn’t getting rid of guns, the bad guys are gonna get them regardless. And if you wouldn’t have police officers in school cause they fail to protect the public, you want to take my ability to defend myself away from me? Fuck out of here with that.

The major issue comes down to 2 things. Police funding and mental health.

People are constantly spewing bullshit about how the police need to be defunded, but when shit like this happens who do that go crawling back to? The fucking cops… you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

We need to increase funding to the police departments so they can have better training, more equipment (more variety of equipment. Ie more less than lethal options as well as more effective/efficient ways of de-escalation), and the incentive to have better (in terms of morals and role models to the public) people in these positions of authority.

I live less than a mile from where the shootings were happening on campus and had my gun loaded next to me the entire night until it came over the police scanners that the suspect had killed himself.

And yes to answer your question about more guns. Had some or all of the students involved had guns there likely wouldn’t be as many people injured. I’m not saying everyone should have a gun but an armed society makes a polite society.

My point was that the excuse used to delay or prevent gun control is that the founders intended the amendment so it can't be changed. Which is stupid considering it's called the 2nd... Amendment

In your opinion how long should they postpone events?

Wait for what?

EDIT: y’all can downvote all you want, but no one can give me an answer? What does basketball have to wait for? For people to forget the shooting happened? For an arbitrary amount of time decided by reddit users?

It's crazy. I've lived in the States, Canada, China and Japan in my life. Gun violence or mass shootings results in national or at least regional mourning.

But we're so used to it, even 2 days for people to grieve, or even just calming down, is too long for some people.

It's not normal in a lot of the world. But if America is all you know, you're the frog in the pot of increasingly boiling water. It's really depressing.

that's how it almost always is with these knuckleheads. they demand we treat them with kid gloves while they can go and be nasty toward everyone else. they were likely spoiled as kids, what can you do?

Is that how long it takes for thoughts and prayers to work?

I was in South Korea about 9 years ago and all the people there asked me why this shit keeps happening in the U.S. I just shook my head and told them I had no clue and I am doubtful anything will ever change here

i just hope that my nephews can go to school safely and never have to be put in a situation where they could die over something as stupid as this. that's what really bothers me...just the absolute wasted life and people don't seem to care at all

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wow, a WHOLE 48 hours! That should solve everything Skipper

I have never seen a gun kill anyone!

I’m a student here. Headlines keep coming up since early this morning with each new “update” on the situation, but try to remember that’s not the final action the university here may take. They initially canceled classes for 48 hours as an emergency order and announced this morning that classes are canceled for the remainder of the week.

Well when its something as serious as *checks note* College Sports, you gotta get back to it!

Seriously, the US has an unhealthy attachment to youth/Y.A. sports.

Edit: sorry to upset the US folks. You are right, it IS more important than healthcare and education, MY BAD.

I work in student housing around the MSU campus area and my company said to handle today “business as usual”. Blew my mind.

Just like nukes have never killed anyone themselves, they should have allowed people to have those too

When used in a proper and safe way they are safe.

So everyone should be able to own one?

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

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It's the lack of communal bonds and disregard for fellow humans as well as our multicultural background and Marxist agendas pitting different groups of people against each other. Also sexual deprivation/porn and incel ideologies.

Uvalde showed me that we are extremely far from a solution. It seemed like after the slaughter of 19 elementary school kids and two teachers, Texas grew stronger in their support of gun rights. Some states are absolutely out of their minds when it comes to their right to bear arms. Those poor kids died in vain

Just start making the #spartanstrong tshirts and stickers and we’ll all move along in just another day in America. /s

Sounds good to me! This guy should run for Congress! I heard there may be an opening in NY soon.

Thoughts and prayers

/s

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Rest of the year. Everyone gets a 4.0

It's interesting you brought up Uvalde. My earliest memory of a mass shooting was Columbine in 1999

then there were a string of them, so many of them at this point that I've forgotten. I know there was Virginia Tech, and then Rep. Giffords getting shot in the head, and the Aurora Movie Theater and many more...but the one that really stood out to me was Sandy Hook in 2012, because of the young age of those poor kids who lost their lives that day because of some fucking ugly bloated-face moron with a bowl cut.

but then nothing happened. If anything, the pro-gun whackjobs got even more embedded and defensive in government. That's when I realized if people don't care about protecting kindergarteners, then they're never going to care

Did the thought ever occur to you that the students who died may have been friends with the student-athletes or even involved with the teams? An entire community was just fucking shot up for no reason, but yea, basketball within that community shouldn't wait because shootings and basketball aren't directly related.

Give people time to grieve and process what the hell just happened. It could've been anyone who died, including the athletes on the basketball team. For fucks sake, they may have been present when it was all going down. Can't believe this needs to be explained to anyone at this point. Oh wait, yea I can, because stupidity and lack of empathy seemingly run rampant and parallel these days.

So how long is that? Who decides that? Two days is way too short but a week is long enough? Two weeks? The rest of the year? Should MSU cancel ALL events for as long as some Reddit user thinks is long enough?

Also the fact that you can’t even type one paragraph without cursing like a middle schooler says more about you than anything.

Lol what exactly does cursing say about me? I like to swear when I'm impassioned? Please elaborate.

Now, concerning your questions, these time frames should be decided by those who are impacted by the event. When the students feel ready to go back, they are ready to go back. Polling is huge in these types of scenarios. Grief counselors work with students and also work directly with crisis management teams to make these types of decisions alongside school boards. All of the data that is amassed regarding the student bodies' mental health status is analyzed, then a decision is made by these bodies. There is no standard for these types of events because they are so dynamic. Information and data will help make the decision which will leave some people happy and some not. You cannot please everyone.

All that said, sports can wait a bit while the people in charge can navigate the best way to approach this.

For good measure: fuck.

I think y'all are chasing a red herring. There is no magic length of time that makes things better.

#but then nothing happened

Main Character Syndrome

Murica

thats quite a shotgun blast of theories youve got there.

These guys a couple of hundred years ago also advocated for slavery and women not being allowed to vote or own property. You're not making a good point here

Why does this keep happening to us? We've tried nothing, and are all out of ideas!

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Pretty obvious. The majority of mass shootings are either social outcasts, incels or culturally motivated (excluding gang shootings which are ignored anyway).

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This is just the beginning. Probably gonna be more cancelled but that’s not official yet

At least they got to live the American dream, being part of holding up someone’s 2nd Amendment Right. The right to go absolutely batshit insane at any moment, what a country.

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"these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." Is the current foundation of most of the rights you currently enjoy.

Thats what I said.

Not, "They're ever writ and word was good".

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Actually for now, classes don’t start up until next Monday but I agree that’s still not enough time

Sure, this is dumb as f***

Just a heads up, Reddit downvotes dont have any real world value so trying to act all badass about it, impresses nobody

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Yeah usually around a 24-48 hour turnaround time. Sometimes the thoughts and prayers department processes these requests slower

Husker nation gots your back during your time of darkness. Tonight we are all spartans.

The guns aren't shooting people on their own. What do you think is motivating people to kill others?

It only happens in low population density areas, among people who are isolated. There have been essentially no mass shootings done by people who live in highly populated areas. It's some sort of trend among extremely lonely and mentally ill people in the USA

People have been killing people in cruel and pointless ways since the dawn of time. But this is American exceptionalism, in no other "western" county is there a similar situation. Why? I don't know but the access to guns is exceptionally easy in the US.

*next two nights

Why is being a Western country important if you believe culture is insignificant?

correlation is not causation. For example, even if majority of shooters are all the things you claimed, consider their representative significance: if for each loner/incel/whatever there is one shooter, then there is singificant correlation. I doubt anyone has data to support a claim like this. How does one measure and define an incel in a way that is statistically relevant anyway? yea i dont know. cuz if its 1 shooter/10000 loner/incel/whatever, then its a somewhat weak correlation. For example, US national homicide rate is 6.5/100,000 people.

This is also not necessarily causation, e.g. did they become shooters BECAUSE of those mentioned factors? Because if everyone somewhat fits those descriptions (and they do. sexual activity and marriage rates are generally on the decline. The US dept of Health and Human Services do track some of that data.) then there is weak reason to presuppose causation beyond a simple observation that both are on the increase and bears monitoring.

Edit: This is actually a good thread ill be sure to use in classroom instruction.

I don't remember saying it's insignificant. Please point to where I have written that.

It's not rocket science.

How many female school shooters do you know?

https://unherd.com/2022/05/why-young-men-become-shooters/

Yep!

It's not rocket science, but claims must still be substantiated by science. And that means using scientific methodologies. Your article brings up interesting points, but ultimately fails cite anything more than conjecture. That is expected of a non-academic piece of writing, but it holds little persuasive power. Obviously there must be hard data pointing towards your claim, but until you and I both know it, claims of any sort are rather pointless. Surely you see the logic here?

Edit: violent crime is predominantly men because males exhibit more violent tendencies at the extreme percentiles than women. That is to say, if one witnesses a violent crime, it's more than likely perpetrated by a man. So if extreme violence tends to be committed by a male, then all the more so for mass shootings. What even is the argument here?