ethan52695 t1_ir4pm7m wrote
Reply to comment by jl_theprofessor in WSJ: Chess Investigation Finds That U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheated’ More Than 100 Times by neighborhood-chad
Well to be fair the article really only provided strong evidence for him cheating online. Much of which he admitted to. They found irregularities in his over the board play and with his rise in ranking, but it’s still possible that he wasn’t cheating when playing against magnus. That being said it definitely doesn’t look good for him. From what I’ve read there has been a lot of speculation from many top players in the chess community that he had been cheating for some time.
McKFC t1_ir51kgv wrote
>Much of which he admitted to.
He admitted to cheating when he was 12 and 16. This is far beyond the scope, which is the newsworthy part, because it shows that he continues to lie about cheating in the past.
quick20minadventure t1_ir52glq wrote
Dude said he cheated twice at 12 and 16 year old in insignificant games when there was no cash prize, no streaming and 'no real matches'.
All off them were proved wrong. He cheated a lot more, much more recently and in much more serious competition.
Magnus was 100% right when he said hans cheated more and more recently than he admitted to.
It's one thing to cheat in random game, another to cheat in prizepool events and entirely another thing to downplay cheating you already confessed about on live television and insult people who gave you second chance.
I read 72 page report, hans cheated a lot and fucked up massively. Only thing helping him is that chess.com explicitly says that they don't have expertise in catching longer format and over the board cheating because they usually deal with short online games only.
RageA333 t1_ir5dtwg wrote
How do we know he cheated beyond that? Edit: beyond when he was 12 and 16
quick20minadventure t1_ir5easu wrote
Chess.com has listed 100 games. Their evidence has been concrete enough that he confessed as well. He said he had to cheat to gain more viewers and followers online in email with chess.com and Chess.com published that email.
He confessed that he made conscious decision to cheat against top players to gain followers on twitch/streaming.
RageA333 t1_ir5g009 wrote
Thanks!
Oscar-Wilde-1854 t1_ir5f14h wrote
It's one of those things where it doesn't really matter at this point. It's essentially the "once a cheater, always a cheater" mantra.
Imagine a professional athlete getting caught doping. Like Lance Armstrong in cycling. Then imagine they just let him compete in the Tour de France the year after and he dominates again.
No amount of blood testing would ever make people believe Lance isn't cheating somehow. He proved he was a cheater and he proved he could get away with it under scrutiny.
Same thing here. It's been proven he's cheated and a lot more than he admitted to when questioned. Thus he's "a cheater".
He may legitimately be worthy of the rank he holds these days, but no opponent (or fan) will trust him ever again. Does chess as a whole want a world champion who might be a cheater? Nope.
shaggypotato0917 t1_ir51kdj wrote
Nothing against most of your comment, I just want to point out that he actually hasn't admitted to most of his cheating, especially if the article is to be believed.
Sendstorepatter t1_ir4x7x9 wrote
I think the fact that people think he might have used a USB connected bum dildo that vibrated his next moves is hilarious to me. Like "C3, bzzzt bzt bzt bzt".
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