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oyodeo t1_ixynsdv wrote

Article states the range is « up to 300km » with a minimum of 2,5h charging. It seems to me it’s not yet adapted to transportation, unless batteries are removable and can be changed on the spot.

Also, is the 300km range on an empty truck? If so, I can’t imagine with 30tons of material inside.

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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ixyyeuq wrote

There’s a use case of everything. Regulations aside, trucks can be charged while loading / unloading. Tesla has improved charging speeds rapidly. The gas vs electricity debate isn’t the biggest deciding factor moving forward.

We move to zero emissions or we all burn.

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Kossimer t1_ixyztxc wrote

Unfortunately, manufacturing hundreds of millions of personal electric vehicles is not going to get us any closer to zero emissions, that's a car industry marketing ploy as pervasive as the recycling symbol on plastic bottles. Emissions will still come from mining the resources, manufacturing the cars, continuing to build highways to support them, and doing all of it more and more for the ever increasing number of cars on the road, continuing to clog them and make travel times longer in cities. Only building out public transportation infrastructure at a ludicrous pace can possibly lower our transportation emissions. Until you see that happening; train lines and bus lines and dedicated bike lanes being built like there's no tomorrow, the halting of new highway construction; we're still at business as usual.

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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ixz0wz3 wrote

You’re correct.

I can’t buy a train. I can’t afford to live near one. I can buy an electric car.

Do what you can until you can do better?

I have an ebike. Works great. I can’t buy a bike lane.

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bsloss t1_ixz5qqn wrote

One way or another new cars are going to be made. It’s definitely better for the environment if these new cars are electric than if they are internal combustion.

Ideally we would transition to more public infrastructure for transit (trains and busses), but some cars will always be needed and it’s better for the environment if those cars run on electricity.

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humansrscu t1_iy0ruk4 wrote

Emissions would still come from the manufacturing of gasoline/diesel engine vehicles as well. The difference would be hundreds of millions of gasoline/diesel engines pouring CO, HAPs, Hydrocarbons, oxides of nitrogen which produce smog and acid rain, while E.Vs don't produce these pollutants.

The power needed to charge the vehicles is the main issue. But as we build more solar and wind farms among other clean energy generation, we should see improvement.

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nyaaaa t1_iy1xnw7 wrote

How one stupid anti EV shill that can't do math put it

> 50% of lifetime CO2 emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car. This compares unfavorably with the manufacture of a gasoline-powered car which accounts for 17% of the car’s lifetime CO2 emissions.

> When a new EV appears in the show-room, it has already caused 30,000 pounds of CO2 emissions. Equivalent amount for manufacturing a conventional car is 14,000 pounds.

Which means EV is 60,000 lifetime pounds of CO2 emissions

And gasoline is 82,353 lifetime pounds of CO2 emissions

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aintbroke_dontfixit t1_ixyz0kd wrote

We have some 44 tonne lorries that run on LNG on trial. They have a range of 400km and are pretty much unusable for the majority of our work.

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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ixyziu4 wrote

Then you’re a bad candidate to run electric semi’s?

Drivers need breaks for food and water. If we can’t charge the trucks faster than the human driver we will be able to soon. Do you want the trucks now, or when Iran invades and diesel doubles in price?

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aintbroke_dontfixit t1_ixz0al2 wrote

> Then you’re a bad candidate to run electric semi’s?

With 28 years experience of driving lorries I can say with confidence most companies in the UK are in the same position.

> Drivers need breaks for food and water.

45 minutes after no more than 4.5hrs driving. I typically drive about 300-350km in that amount of time so I could potentially be looking at having to recharge before I'd need to take a break, especially in winter or when it's a windy day as certainly with the trucks I drive now when you're towing a 450sq.ft parachute in windy weather you can see your fuel consumption increase quite significantly, as much as 25% on nights like the other night when it was 30MPH with gusts up to 60MPH..

> Do you want the trucks now

Not as they are. Too short a range, too long recharge time and too big a weight penalty. We'd have to increase the size of our fleet 20% to carry the same tonnage we do at a time when there's a shortage of truck drivers throughout much of the world, especially UK, EU and North America.

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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ixz0np7 wrote

Tesla has orders they can’t fill. Someone found a use case for electric trucks. They might not meet your needs today.

Computers get better every year. These are the first generation of e-trucks. They’re meet your requirements before you know it.

If they don’t work for you don’t buy them?

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aintbroke_dontfixit t1_ixz11sk wrote

Unless there's a massive leap in battery technology, especially power density, it ain't happening any time soon.

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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ixz286w wrote

It will be faster, easier, cheaper soon enough. I guarantee it.

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Lebannendl t1_ixzm908 wrote

Very fast charging of batteries diminishes battery capacity ( basic chemistry).

Charging times will remain too long (> 10 minutes) for at least a couple of decades.

Recycling of those batteries is still challenging.

If those battery packs catch fire they are very difficult to extinguish

The mining of the chemical components is very polluting indeed

So electric vehicles are ok if you do not do long distances (commuting).

Instead of recharging there should be international legislation that the battery packs should be standardised and can be changed quickly. In that case electrical vehicles (cars and trucks) can be a viable solution. As long as that is not the case there is not much gain in them imho

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decwakeboarder t1_ixz5c7r wrote

> has orders they can't fill

"Demand infinitely outpaces production!"

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nyaaaa t1_iy1y186 wrote

These aren't for long distance, these are for grocers type shorter distances.

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aintbroke_dontfixit t1_iy22wcx wrote

A 6x2 tractor unit is rated for 44 tonnes GVW as in 97,000lb and not used for grocers type shorter distances.

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rexcharlesb t1_ixz6pm9 wrote

Can you imagine getting stuck behind 2 people at a charging station? Even if it takes 20mins to charge to full, it would be a gigantic pain in the arse. There’s no way this is feasible on a mass scale

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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ixz70fz wrote

It’s not feasible to build more charging stations?

Have you ever heard of daisy chain chargers?

You plug in one battery to an outlet. Plug the other battery into the he first and on and on and All the batteries get charged.

There’s simple solutions to every impossibility you’re stuck on.

We go green or the planet heats up and all the crops die.

Take your pick.

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rexcharlesb t1_ixz9ak3 wrote

It’s about serviceability. Say you replace every single fuel station with ev chargers, you are still going to have chaos given it takes 2mins ish to fill up a tank vs 20. Also, people are going to be pedants about their chargers, extremely fast chargers are just going to chew the batteries. A car with a shelf life of 8 years? Where the second hand market blows? That equates to far more problematic mining of lithium, which is definitely not good for the environment, plus producing a tonne of car waste. Then there is the reality that every single city in the world is packed to gills already, what you going to do? Bulldoze parkland for ev stations?

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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ixzgrfq wrote

Put solar panels on the 53’ trailer and you increase the range considerably.

There’s solutions to every problem.

Before airplanes we were building tall buildings for blimps.

We will solve every problem. We have too.

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rexcharlesb t1_ixzq82c wrote

I’m not denying there is a problem, but the reality is that you (we) are being SOLD the “solution”. Aka people are profiteering and shifting the burden of responsibility onto the general public

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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ixzqd12 wrote

What other options do we have?

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rexcharlesb t1_ixzrc8m wrote

Look up the original Tesla, Nicholas - the Wardenclyffe Tower. This new Tesla shit is a scam and is intentionally masking the real solution, so people that laugh at you (us) can profiteer

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69tank69 t1_iy1krd8 wrote

If you buy a gallon gasoline and burn it who is responsible for those emissions you or Exxon? What about for the food you eat? What about for the clothes you wear? At some point you need to take responsibility for your actions

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garlicroastedpotato t1_iy129c7 wrote

It's obviously not a universal truck that'll be useful everywhere. Where it will be useful is for inner city deliveries. Your typical inner city semi might travel 100-200 KM a day. They spend a lot of time unloading trailers where... your truck is typically turned off (and maybe in the future plugged in somewhere).

Obviously it's not going to replace every single truck on the road... but none of these automakers will. If every single automaker switched over to electric today, it would still take 30 days to replace every single diesel truck on the road.

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