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Gold_Smart t1_iwtxbhf wrote

China is here to stay ,at this point you can't ignore China and if you think that you will suffocate china by restricting their access to EUV technology you vastly underestimate the amount of resources the CCP have at their disposal especially right now when they have run out of places to build infrastructure ,the resources that were used to build infrastructure will be redirected to technology and don't forget China has access to those Coltan mines ....If you think you can ignore China just look at Tiktok, YouTube had a 10 year headstart and still couldn't develop such a powerful algorithm, look at their 5G or their strides in nuclear fusion energy .Banning the export of high end chips and fab equipment to China will only slow them down but you can be damn sure that it won't stop them.

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mindboggly t1_iwu32qu wrote

Well it's not peace time anymore and the US should play by the same rules the CCP does by banning Facebook, Meta etc in China or they can wait till it's too late and be overwhelmed by the CCP hypersonic missiles.

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Kyutsumi t1_iww0su7 wrote

> by banning Facebook, Meta etc in China

Rules states that the data cannot go to the US. It's called local law, like how the EU copied the same law, but then went ahead and made a deal with the US to still share the data... or ELSE!!! (basically what the US told the EU). If Chinese firms doesn't follow local US law, then sure, go ahead and ban them.

Didn't TikTok split, hire CIA and state department agents, and save the data on US soil + US infrastructure, AND let the US inspect the source code and have a 3rd party to constantly review the code?

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alexp8771 t1_iwutuag wrote

Ban student visas for China and their entire tech industry will collapse. They cannot educate engineers at scale in that country.

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Marduk112 t1_iww557t wrote

I think that would be a mistake. I have seen firsthand what happens when affluent Chinese students travel abroad - they either: a) don't want to leave/stay in the West, and brain-drain/divert resources from China, or b) they go back and tell their friends and family about the political freedoms they enjoyed abroad, an implicit threat to the information control the CCP has over the country.

Both are net positives for the West, and China knows it. Corporate or research espionage is another matter altogether and by and large Chinese students are not engaged in that.

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Effective_Spring_803 t1_iww5hqp wrote

>an implicit threat to the information control the CCP has over the country.

In 2019, 170 million Chinese people left the country for a foreign holiday. There is no "information control", you made that up in your head

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Marduk112 t1_iwx0zhu wrote

And how many has left now? And what do you call the great firewall? You must be living under a rock.

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Successful-Cut-505 t1_iwwpo1u wrote

so will americas.... 25% of harvard is asian, 6% of the US is asian. those students are contributing more the scientific and technological development in US than you realize, this is not counting other schools like stanford, rice, caltech etc.

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fred1445 t1_iwu486n wrote

it took the ccp 5 years and hundreds of thousands of $ to make a ball point pen finely in 2017 even as they were the global manufatures of ball point pens the had to import the ball point from germany, japan and i think the netherlands!

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Effective_Spring_803 t1_iww5nzk wrote

Why can't you insects just say "China"? You're not even getting the party name correct, it's the CPC, not CCP. Are you that brain rotted from the CCCP that you can't tell the difference?

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