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trustyourtech t1_iwtzsu0 wrote

I think that when you wait until China has a fully working space station and hypersonic missiles it might a bit too late.

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Reddit_sucks21 t1_iwuxb9a wrote

China doesn't even have water to power themselves or feed themselves anymore. I'm not worried about them making a space station, they can hardly make computer chips.

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Willinton06 t1_iwv0v6m wrote

They already made the space station, it’s just not fully functional, but it’s like 95% there

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p0rty-Boi t1_iwv6kto wrote

There’s a pretty gnarly precedent for what a growing superpower does when it started running out of resources. It’s a formula for Imperialism.

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gizamo t1_iwvjuka wrote

China's pretty decent at making chips. They just don't build the tooling or do most of their own designs yet. But, if they could get the tooling and designs, their manufacturing capabilities are great.

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mangofizzy t1_iwu37s5 wrote

Whats with this obsession of “war” by some people? Do they think it’s some fun thing to have?

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iwvysof wrote

Name a country the CCP has invaded or bombed in the last 20 years.

Now make the same list for the US.

Get a grip on reality man.

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PhoebusQ47 t1_iww2b6v wrote

You don’t need to when you have plenty of your own citizens to throw in concentration camps and ethnically cleanse.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iww2jht wrote

IMO they are not as good at ethnic cleansing as we Americans are. They have a lot to learn. That's probably why they studied our model, just like the Nazis did.

Such amateurs. Eventually they will learn to criminalize modest behavior and then selectively enforce the laws against the minorities they want to target. Then convict them on nonviolent crimes so they can be used as legal slaves in the prison system. This is much easier to sell to a dumb uneducated public, so first they have to sabotage the education system for the poor and the outgroups.

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PhoebusQ47 t1_iww2p9q wrote

I could not be rolling my eyes any harder.

Wake me up when you’ve got examples from this century. It’s 2022.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iww35qc wrote

I just described the modern American prison industrial complex. It's not my fault you were intentionally undereducated so you wouldn't recognize it when it stares you in the face daily.

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PhoebusQ47 t1_iww3eqw wrote

The prison industrial complex is a great example. It’s nothing in comparison to China, but it’s definitely a huge stain on our country.

Your whataboutism is on point, though.

My wife actually works with The Innocence Project, I assure you I am not unaware of these issues :) You might want to figure out why so much of your identity is tied up in the badness of America and the apparent “uneducatedness” of anyone who dares challenge you.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iww493y wrote

Well they just haven't learned how to weaponize and commercialize it as effectively as the US has, but it's exactly the same. I don't know what your wife has to do with this. Plenty of people are married to idiots.

"You don’t need to when you have plenty of your own citizens to throw in concentration camps and ethnically cleanse."

You literally started with whataboutism honey.

I'm sure your wife will definitely never get tired of your gaslighting bullshit after coming home from working with people who were gaslit into incarceration.

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Kyutsumi t1_iwvzpdj wrote

You cannot invade yourself. Also, stop meddling with other countries. It's none of your business.

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Witty-Village-2503 t1_iwuvyjb wrote

Bro, what?

Did you forget about the war the USA started in Afghanistan?

Afghanistan only the latest US war to be driven by deceit and delusion

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Kooky_Support3624 t1_iwvgo8r wrote

Even in that article, it says that Al'Qaida started that war. We never went to war with Afghanistan. Afghanistan as a state arguably never existed. The people of Afghanistan are tribal and only had warlords and religious leaders as institutions. We occupied territory to root out a terrorist organization, which was successful. The Taliban tried to harbor said terrorists, but our beef was never with them. Around 2010, our mission statement shifted from destroying Al'Qaida to leaving Afghanistan a better place than we left it, which came in the form of hospitals and schools. Then in 2012 to 2014 that expanded again to leaving them a functional government. The last bit is where we failed. But it was not a disaster for us, and the 2nd bit of whether or not they are better off from the 1990s is debatable, but mostly successful.

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erosram t1_iwvmq6s wrote

Surprised to see a nuanced argument on Reddit. Usually it’s just the lowest info rage bait that gets clicks.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iwvq6cp wrote

>Even in that article, it says that Al'Qaida started that war.

Fucking lol. What an easy mark.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iwvph2e wrote

Uh oh, you made Americans confront the consequences of their inept and destructive foreign policy.

They are thin skinned jingoist children and they don't like that.

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Ok-Ear-1914 t1_iwurqa7 wrote

Through education and our politicians are trying to end that.

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Successful-Cut-505 t1_iwwpd77 wrote

public education is a waste, america already has specialized and advanced learning programs in place for children with ability. why would you waste money on a school where students dont actually have the ability or the desire to learn?

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Ok-Ear-1914 t1_iwwpzm4 wrote

I learned a lot through public education as well as the rest of my family... keep stripping money away from public schools to give it to for profit schools, it's really going well sheesh....

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Successful-Cut-505 t1_iwwspzv wrote

public education is terrible because its more of a daycare for your children than a pathway to learning or education, you realize there are public magnet schools out there with like 90% graduation rates and averaging top 5% SAT or ACT scores? you cannot achieve success in education when everyone goals from school or education dont mesh, or the commitment that people have dont align

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Johns-schlong t1_iwxa89f wrote

Name a single successful modern country without universal public education.

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Successful-Cut-505 t1_iwxbqvo wrote

universal public education that is 100% free or just a public education system? it depends on what you are referring to, cuz a lot of places, especially asia, have a public education system that you still pay school fees to every semester/year that is unlike the free public education available in the US or other western countries

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BenekCript t1_iwtrrlt wrote

That only works in a post scarcity based society that is not ran by a bunch of emotional monkeys. Humanity isn’t quiet there yet, and China would like to see the world in its image. As would tin pot dictators around the globe.

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sabdotzed t1_iwu204l wrote

> China would like to see the world in its image. As would tin pot dictators around the globe.

Tbf America has been trying to mould the world in its imagine since the fall of the cold war. Coup here, funding rebels there, aiding death squads here....

It's just now there are other players

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DGIce t1_iwuo9um wrote

Idk I think the actually trying to create democratic republics is a more recent thing since the world is online now and the US voter base is starting to hear about what's actually happening in other countries. Prior to that it was pretty much just get someone in power willing to make deals in the US's benefit, which almost always turned out to be shortsighted and required power be concentrated to fewer people.

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PiousZenLufa t1_iwwjosg wrote

about to say as someone who has spent time in both cities on multiple occasions... wth are they talking about? The pollution in NYC doesn't make it hard to open your eyes when a low-pressure system comes in.

I have been visiting Shanghai since 2006, and the changes have been enormous every time I go back, it's a great city, lots of cool and interesting things to do, but IMO New York is still another level above it. I guess if stone age = not every building having day glow light shows going on 24/7 then yes.

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w00master t1_iwwf3q6 wrote

Perhaps u/InteractiveBook but enjoy that Social rating score and no actual freedom.

How’s that Zero Covid policy going also?

You say “Stone Age,” but what out of the tech has China actually invented (nothing) and not ripped off?

China… the lack of imagination and copy country. Piraters all with zero originality or innovation.

I’ll take US over China EVERY single time.

Also, can’t get a real NYC slice in China either. A shitty slice - sure - but edible? Nope.

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IamAFlaw t1_iwui13f wrote

Well when I visited NYC it was disgustingly dirty, lots of crazies around. It is the biggest city I ever visited but it was certainly dirtier too.

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erosram t1_iwvnfft wrote

Stone Age? Riiiight. Because they don’t have their smartphones out all the time? New York City is where all the technology you use is traded on the actual stock exchange. Don’t let a lack of LED tvs in ramen restaurants fool you.

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w00master t1_iwzwvfx wrote

Btw u/InteractiveBook can you tell Chinese tourists to stop taking a shit in the middle of the streets of the countries they visit?

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-is-embarrassed-by-its-tourists-2013-5

Like NYC?

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w00master t1_ix0q3w7 wrote

Sure you do. Sure. I sooo believe you.

I’ll take the US over China every single time. Have a nice day.

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w00master t1_ix0rfks wrote

They take everything here. So just because we still also take checks that makes us in the Stone Age then?

We also take:

  • Credit cards
  • Bank cards
  • Apple/android/Samsung pay
  • NFC pay.
  • Cash
  • and in some places Bitcoin (though that’d be dumb)

I’d say we’re more advanced because we take more - all while retaining our human rights - unlike China.

That said, what then do you think about Japan? Pretty much everywhere is cash only?

Guess they’re in the Stone Age too?

Try and keep up CCP lover.

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w00master t1_ix1oird wrote

In what way am I butthurt? Feelin pretty good completely destroying your POV.

I’m honestly curious on how you came to this hilarious conclusion CCP lover?

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w00master t1_ix1swvt wrote

Awwwww. In denial. In ain’t just a river in Egypt. Provided responses for all your bullshit. You had nothing in response

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BlueWhoSucks t1_iwu530n wrote

Exactly how? Because of the gimmicky SC maglev train? Or the skyscrapers you don't own?

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nova9001 t1_iwty2zb wrote

Just a few days ago at G20, US & China said they wanted to play nice and deescalate . And now we have propaganda piece on escalating shit again.

It seems every time the stocks have a small rally, there's someone working real hard to kill any momentum to it.

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gizamo t1_iwvl1iy wrote

No one is playing nice again until there are significant legally-binding agreements in place -- starting with theft of IP and trade secrets, and probably ending with more open markets. China probably won't actually agree to much that the US wants because their culture genuinely does not care about IP, and the government definitely won't give up their controlled monopolies of various industries or allow US competition there.

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Marduk112 t1_iww75bh wrote

The Trans-Pacific Partnership would have secured IP rights, forced a decoupling of state-owned Chinese enterprises within the TPP, and would have seen trade flows triple the size of NAFTA. Thanks to Trump and his idiot cohorts, we will have to start from scratch, or worse, work bilaterally with significantly less leverage.

The beauty of China's culture is that as long as their IP espionage benefits them, the CCP will continue to permit it and vice-versa.

As much as this needs to happen from the U.S.'s perspective, I'm not holding my breath because of the increasingly looming Taiwan issue and China will never come to the table from a position of weakness, which is the case right now and hence why they are feigning manners and benevolence for the time being. I also don't think there is a way to reach such an accord so long the Taiwan issue remains unresolved or without the economic inducement of access to an analogous massive free trade zone.

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gizamo t1_iwwc8la wrote

Yep. The amount of disinformation about TPP was wild.

China and Russia ramped up their social media operations to do everything possible to turn public sentiment against it.

Interestingly, if China doesn't negotiate now, their bargaining position will only get weaker as western semiconductor companies move operations out of China to diversify their risk. I work in semis, and the difficulty of operating in China -- or even just selling components into China -- has become absurd. But, even tho we and most of the industry has taken a financial hit, very few people seem upset at the US, and I doubt anyone is really surprised by the increasing restrictions. Personally, I don't see the US easing restrictions. So, either China comes to the table in good faith, or the decoupling in tech continues.

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Gold_Smart t1_iwtxbhf wrote

China is here to stay ,at this point you can't ignore China and if you think that you will suffocate china by restricting their access to EUV technology you vastly underestimate the amount of resources the CCP have at their disposal especially right now when they have run out of places to build infrastructure ,the resources that were used to build infrastructure will be redirected to technology and don't forget China has access to those Coltan mines ....If you think you can ignore China just look at Tiktok, YouTube had a 10 year headstart and still couldn't develop such a powerful algorithm, look at their 5G or their strides in nuclear fusion energy .Banning the export of high end chips and fab equipment to China will only slow them down but you can be damn sure that it won't stop them.

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mindboggly t1_iwu32qu wrote

Well it's not peace time anymore and the US should play by the same rules the CCP does by banning Facebook, Meta etc in China or they can wait till it's too late and be overwhelmed by the CCP hypersonic missiles.

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Kyutsumi t1_iww0su7 wrote

> by banning Facebook, Meta etc in China

Rules states that the data cannot go to the US. It's called local law, like how the EU copied the same law, but then went ahead and made a deal with the US to still share the data... or ELSE!!! (basically what the US told the EU). If Chinese firms doesn't follow local US law, then sure, go ahead and ban them.

Didn't TikTok split, hire CIA and state department agents, and save the data on US soil + US infrastructure, AND let the US inspect the source code and have a 3rd party to constantly review the code?

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alexp8771 t1_iwutuag wrote

Ban student visas for China and their entire tech industry will collapse. They cannot educate engineers at scale in that country.

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Marduk112 t1_iww557t wrote

I think that would be a mistake. I have seen firsthand what happens when affluent Chinese students travel abroad - they either: a) don't want to leave/stay in the West, and brain-drain/divert resources from China, or b) they go back and tell their friends and family about the political freedoms they enjoyed abroad, an implicit threat to the information control the CCP has over the country.

Both are net positives for the West, and China knows it. Corporate or research espionage is another matter altogether and by and large Chinese students are not engaged in that.

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Effective_Spring_803 t1_iww5hqp wrote

>an implicit threat to the information control the CCP has over the country.

In 2019, 170 million Chinese people left the country for a foreign holiday. There is no "information control", you made that up in your head

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Marduk112 t1_iwx0zhu wrote

And how many has left now? And what do you call the great firewall? You must be living under a rock.

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Successful-Cut-505 t1_iwwpo1u wrote

so will americas.... 25% of harvard is asian, 6% of the US is asian. those students are contributing more the scientific and technological development in US than you realize, this is not counting other schools like stanford, rice, caltech etc.

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fred1445 t1_iwu486n wrote

it took the ccp 5 years and hundreds of thousands of $ to make a ball point pen finely in 2017 even as they were the global manufatures of ball point pens the had to import the ball point from germany, japan and i think the netherlands!

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Effective_Spring_803 t1_iww5nzk wrote

Why can't you insects just say "China"? You're not even getting the party name correct, it's the CPC, not CCP. Are you that brain rotted from the CCCP that you can't tell the difference?

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nkrgovic t1_iwttvg4 wrote

Can someone explain this regarding fabs? Is this to effect TMSC fabs in China? Intel, IIRC has at least one fab in China as well. Is the US trying to ban fabs from China in operating? Or is this just for fabs ran by Chinese companies producing their native chips?

Also, how do you "prevent the export of algorithms"? They don't ship in containers.... Are they to stop sharing mathematical research over the internet, because "bad Chinese people" will use it?

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ctoph t1_iwtv9js wrote

The technology to make relatively advanced chips basically comes from a few western companies. Even the generations that China can make themselves thry can't make the machines required for the lithography. Western companies that want to be in the American market (or who's gov would side with America if their was a dispute) have to choose for tsmc a Taiwanese company its pretty easy and it's not that hard for the Dutch company that makes the leading edge lithography stuff either. So if the us pushes it can cut China off from the equipment and expertise they need for modern chips.

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nkrgovic t1_iwtwio7 wrote

That much I understand, if you stop ASML exporting to China (which is, as you've said a company based in the Nederlans), you stop China from having advanced industry - and are setting them back probably at least a decade. Developing EUV lithography is an incredibly hard process. Now, mind you, preventing them to do upgrades, to what they might have a contractual obligation, is a big deal. You're asking them to take a law suit, and the US has, AFAIK, no means to force a company from NL to take a huge loss.

I'm interested in how will this impact the rest of the world. Are the factories in China used to the rest of the world? Will this impact the global economy in any way? Also, what happens to stuff made in China? If Apple is making an iPad in China, does it have to stop because M2 is an advanced chip? What about Razer and laptops with GTX 3080? Again, will it impact global industry?

Finally, on a theoretical note, I still don't understand how do you prevent export of algorithms....

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gizamo t1_iwvor2g wrote

The US CHIPS Act is getting companies to build fabs in the US. Those fabs will be mass producing chips starting in ~2024-2025. Until then, reduced output of Chinese chips would definitely affect the economy, particularly for industries that use lower-end chips (e.g. automobiles). Restrictions on manufacturing/assembly of devices in China would hurt more industries in the US, but most of that is negligible. If China were to attack Taiwan, that would tank the US economy probably worse than the great recession, but not as bad as the great depression. It would also probably start WWIII, and at that point, theoreticals go out the window. Literally no one knows what would happen at that point.

Exporting an algorithm means to share it outside the country of its origin.

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kopeezie t1_iwtw8el wrote

Also to add to technology is quality and yield. Anyone can splash some photo resist on a wafer. But to do it over and over again to the same uniform 10nm thickness across the wafer for 10,000 wafers per month is mind boggling. We joked at Amat that the only thing being more massed produced than switches on this planet was biological cells.

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ctoph t1_iwtwqas wrote

The optics and EUV are truly crazy. I saw a video where they were saying the flatness of mirrors they use in the lithography machines are something like if the surface of the earth only varied like a millimeters in its topology (number might be wrong but it was crazy flat)

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dax2001 t1_iwu43ne wrote

That would be the most idiot thing to do.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iwvrheq wrote

How is Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company a "western" company.

All the bullshit eurocentrisim get's old real quick.

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ctoph t1_iwvzoub wrote

The technology to make relatively advanced chips basically comes from a few western companies.

This statement refers not to tsmc but to ASML and their partner the zeiss group. ASML is a dutch company and is the only company that can supply lithography machines that employ EUV which is required for the current leading edge being created by Samsung and TSMC. Zeiss group is a a German company and a partner of ASML that supplies their optical system. These two companies are especially important because they are (I believe) the only companies with the ability to produce the technology (EUV and related optical systems) needed to produce 5nm and below chips. TSMC and Samsung use these devices and develop the methodology to manufacture the chips but regardless of any USA foreign policy they would never give there trade secrets related to leading edge processes to China (or any country/external org for that matter). So yea it is western European companies that make the technology to produce the chips.

All the self righteous sanctimonious idiots who project their prejudices onto strangers on the internet to feel superior gets old real quick.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iwvzu1h wrote

Naw, I'm pretty sure I got it right the first time.

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ctoph t1_iwwh7ho wrote

We are several comments down on a comment that wasn't popular on a thread that wasn't that popular in the first place. There is no one to impress. We both know what the truth is. While I am quite certain you won't admit you are wrong, I hope in the future you will at least consider giving people the benefit of the doubt and try to make the internet a slightly friendlier place.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iwwhr5u wrote

I hope in the future you are not naïve enough to give people on reddit the benefit of the doubt.

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ctoph t1_iwwih85 wrote

If I'm right I avoid a negative interaction where I find out on the end that I was the jerk. If I'm wrong, my comment wouldn't have changed anything anyway. It's not naivete, it's cost benefit analysis 😉.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iwwjytl wrote

You values you place on internet socializing are wildly skewing your analysis.

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ctoph t1_iwwkbb8 wrote

I'm starting yo think you just want to have the last word.

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ShiningInTheLight t1_iwueyhx wrote

He who controls the fabs controls the product, and can also make unauthorized alterations to them.

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GreatBigPig t1_iwuoqs3 wrote

Why is it considered "war" and not competition? Could the US thrive without a supposed enemy?

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Kyutsumi t1_iww04s3 wrote

When everyone is your enemy, a competition is called a war.

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glhfJKiHax t1_iwwwinh wrote

Oof. That’s probably the most concise explanation of US foreign policy I’ve ever read

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whenItouchthesky t1_iwtthzn wrote

Twitter, Snap, and META are failing while TikTok (CHINA) rises from the ashes.

Beware.

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LeCordonB1eu t1_iwttqco wrote

Snap is owned by Meta. Just saying your list is a little redundant.

And Twitter is purposefully "jeopardized." Elon specifically said he wants to significantly reduce the number of employees at Twitter, by 75%!! All those people quitting and taking severance pay? This is what he wanted. And he's going to make Twitter private.

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bluecorkscrew t1_iwtwars wrote

Where did you get this idea that Snap is owned by Meta?

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LeCordonB1eu t1_iwtwkuz wrote

I must have mixed up either Instagram and Whatsapp with Snap. I stand corrected. Snap is not owned by Meta and u/whenItouchthesky's list is not redundant.

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iwvsep6 wrote

>This is what he wanted. And he's going to make Twitter private.

Ah yes, Musk is truly the puppet master.

"I wanted the ikea desk to collapse immediately once books were placed on it. That was the plan all along."

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Jonherenow t1_iwvuyk3 wrote

Was unable to read the article because there was too many popups.

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elitedejaguar t1_iwu08jd wrote

And thats competition in the new world, seems they just want to control everything on this side of the world because they just lost the old one.

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Rare-Birthday4527 t1_iwvkoi0 wrote

Utilize ground breaking energetically expensive modules which demand wattage only you can supply

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MasterpieceBrave420 t1_iwvpanp wrote

China can't even make a decent processor yet. I don't think they are gonna be winning any tech anything until they get that solved. Their best chip is a dollar store copy of NVidia from 10 years ago.

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ChaosDancer t1_iwyb2p4 wrote

"The value of the semiconductor market worldwide was 530 billion in 2021 and is projected to reach 1.3 trillion in 2029.

China in 2020 imported chips valued at 350 billion, so the US has successfully sanctioned the worldwide semiconductor industry by 66%."

Furthermore both Samsung and TSMC got a one year waiver to supply their plants in China so congratulations, the US sanctioned it's own industry for South Korea and Taiwan and if this is not a self own i don't know what it is.

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danielwcas t1_iwvm31x wrote

not us, everyone is getting fired or layed off, China probably forces their tech people to work..

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According_Scarcity55 t1_iwtsbft wrote

Seems like TikTok is beating Facebook (even google in some divisions) ass right now. Doesn’t fit the narrative

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Vast-Finding-6222 t1_iwtt3zj wrote

US is preparing to ban TikTok again next year

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According_Scarcity55 t1_iwvkcdt wrote

Dem is using them to attract GenZ vote. It worked out pretty well for them this year. Why ban a platform which will give you power? It is like Trump banning truth social lol.

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angelicamendas29 t1_iwtvq3p wrote

TikTok is beating facebook. TikTok can be ban in US from next year.

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basketballsteven t1_iwu6bnf wrote

Is TikTok beating YouTube would be more the question, no? YouTube is full of extremely useful videos on how to repair/build/disassemble but also how to videos on everything from changing your brake pads to knitting to writing code while TikTok is full of jokes and look at me videos. YouTube has a large back library of useful videos, TikTok not so much.

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Fairuse t1_iwuh2gg wrote

YouTube reel is basically YouTube's answer to TikTok. Unfortunately it is a case of if you can't beat them then join them (i.e. it is toxic, addictive and no real utility).

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Jonnny t1_iwudwcg wrote

I would expect the CCP's budget for industrial espionage just ballooned, with most of it going towards those industries.

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[deleted] t1_iwvxv86 wrote

Yep, what was probably big to begin with now gets more resources. China had been at this for a while, who remembers the 1990s spy stealing US nuclear warhead tech? The PRC had been softly inserting people in many sectors and universities and how many of them can become sources? Not a "all Chinese people are spies" thing but China has been much more aggressively pushing relationships outside of government, playing the long game. Maybe the US should have thought more than 5 years out before they kickstarted the PRC for short term money. All it takes is one "partner" to not play ball and the new strategy fails. The cold War had a more definable threat to western nations than now, and cheap goods make people happy. Are countries going to start pulling back the production that is the endpoint for chips? Will consumers pay the money for that?

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Jonnny t1_iww5bob wrote

Crazy that I'm being downvoted for such an obvious statement. I'm guessing CCP armybots are out and about to defend Great Glorious Motherland who is very #1 and Much Best!

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Quirky-Tomatillo5584 t1_iwurc2r wrote

you can't stop China you only can pray for God that they make mistakes, those people are highly sophisticated beings, the brain wires they have is very new to me, they are not like the Koreans or Japanese, they have their own way of looking at the World, I don't really know what they seek in their relation to other countries, i thought Russians are complex, those people are on whole another level, and damn they are smart and quick, all of the American sanctions that America can do, will only impact 2 percent of Chinese economy, usa is too late, there will be no ww3, that is children newspaper, China could enjoy its spot as number one power in 2030, we in Europe should decuple our Selfs from Usa, and be a superpower on our own, now India on the rise, it is going to be a very hard challenge to even be number 2.

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n3w4cc01_1nt t1_iwu6s3u wrote

It's not a tech war. it's china making subpar versions of tech they copied from schematics.

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DirtyPolecat t1_iwvjl4m wrote

Every piece of tech is the result of copying other schematics. Nobody is going to invent a switchmode power supply or bandpass filter or oscillator every time they design a new product. There are basic circuit building blocks that get used again and again and again.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iwtqxdk wrote

How about we work together for the progress of all humanity rather than viewing each other as enemies? Technology should be available to everyone, not just a few based on geopolitical considerations. Humanity needs to move beyond our petty differences of political preferences and really come together. This is what Star Trek and all great Science Fiction was about: the best of humanity. Technology should be used to promote the best of humanity, not used as tool to promote out basis instincts of power and leverage over others.

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turnophrasetk421 t1_iwtrql5 wrote

Well china agreed that all people are created equal and have rights that can not be infringed, sure

No free citizen should do business with China, they have no voice in their government.

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NegativeCap1975 t1_iwtuxu4 wrote

>they have no voice in their government.

they don't?

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iwtsg59 wrote

>No free citizen should do business with China, they have no voice in their government.

Isolating people is not how those we disagree with should be treated. It just futures an us-vs-them mentality. We should actively engage and work with people with disagree with and learn through cognitive empathy.

The inability for people to work with people they disagree with and instead focus on methods that exclude others is precisely why humanity can not progress beyond tribalism.

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nova9001 t1_iwtxwu3 wrote

>Isolating people is not how those we disagree with should be treated.

Sanctions on Iran, NK, Venezuela, Cuba and now Russia makes me feel like you don't understand how your own country operates.

>It just futures an us-vs-them mentality. We should actively engage and work with people with disagree with and learn through cognitive empathy.

UN just did a vote where every country outside of US & Israel wants sanctions on Cuba removed. When America actually acts on what they preach maybe someone will believe what you said.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iwtyauv wrote

You should look through my post history - I'm fairly Anti-American. America is among the most destabilizing and hegemonic powers out there. So, I think we agree here.

China, Cuba, Iran, NK, and more have stated a willingness to work with and engage the U.S. The U.S refuses for multiple reasons. While most of the world is embracing a multipolar and multilateral world, the US is clinging violently onto its hegemonic theology of American Exceptionalism to utterly destabilizing effects.

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nova9001 t1_iwtyser wrote

Indeed, I misunderstood your initial points. You were speaking from a personal point of view. I thought you were talking from an American POV.

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turnophrasetk421 t1_iwtufpb wrote

... yeah that didn't work so well with the Nazi or Communists now did it?

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iwtulz7 wrote

There's a difference between trying to negotiate with The Borg vs. The Romulans. Try to equate China to Nazis and the Holocaust just shows exactly why there needs to be more engagement and people-to-people exchanges.

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fitzroy95 t1_iwtvzpk wrote

sadly, it also shows quite how toxic the propaganda and misinformation from the West has become.

Chain is a very long way from perfect, but it certainly isn't the soulless and evil monster that western media wants to portray it as

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Gold_Smart t1_iwtxpsb wrote

The Chinese have been in my country for 15 years and in those fifteen years ,we have high speed Internet, highways ,railways, hospital equipment, better armoured vehicles....in our 40 years of our reliance on the west what did we get except SAPs, ruthless dictators and Diplomats who infantilised our leaders. China is far from perfect but don't believe what the west says either. The difference between what American/Western officials speak and what the Russian officials speak is the accent.

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evorna t1_iwtwmmf wrote

Or Russia, north Korea and Iran, chinas best friends

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Lively000 t1_iwtww2c wrote

The earth needs to be united politically first. Even in Star Trek there was a horrible war before first contact with the Vulcans helped unite humanity. We still exist in the age of nationalism and don’t think of ourselves as humans first. Military Technology needs to be guarded until we can get everyone on the same page

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Fairuse t1_iwugr9t wrote

Man, we just need some brutal resource conquering aliens to come kick our ass a bit for humanity to realize "human rights" are just social construct that aren't free to maintain and that humanity to needs to be united (climate change is too abstract for average monkey brained human to bond over, which is why we need aliens).

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Lively000 t1_iwxi7vy wrote

Yeah definitely, its gotta be an obvious enemy that people can understand. Climate change is basically boiling a frog in water for us

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iwuf1jm wrote

Spoken like a true sociopath: someone advocating for the murder of others based on misinformation and ignorance.

China is absolutely nothing like how you imagine. I highly recommend you visit here and see and experience China for yourself. It's an amazing place. If you do decide to visit, let me know.

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f4ern t1_iwufuro wrote

some people are beyond redemption. Much less a dictator who basically erasing an entire group of people from existence. I hope your children find this post and find out their ancestor are advocate for a genocidal maniac.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iwuhbu7 wrote

Again, I'm happen to travel to Xinjiang with you. I'm currently in Nanjing. If you do decide to make it over here, I have a relative going to college in Urumqi. You and me can travel there together and we can experience Xinjiang for ourselves.

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f4ern t1_iwur8yp wrote

why, are you the type who get off from watching people in prison camp. I bet you fantasizes about rubbing yourself in Auschwitz didn't you? sick fuck

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