Major railroad posts record earnings, spends more on share repurchases than on its employees
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indoninja t1_j5y4c1h wrote
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> It had a way better chance of passing that way....
It had damn near zero chance of passing if it was bundled, which would’ve meant our spiraling inflation before Christmas would’ve gotten much much worse and we’d still be suffering the consequences
stuntmanbob86 t1_j5ys2wp wrote
I am positive they wouldn't. Too much ar stake. Even if the strike did happen, it would have lasted hours, not weeks. The carriers can't afford to lose that much.
Bottom line is it never even had to go to congress. Biden could have made sure there was sick days in the TA over the summer but he didn't. Biden wasn't ever for sick days.
indoninja t1_j5yy92h wrote
Biden didn’t have the power to push that without a bill that passes the senate.
I’m positive republicans would have blocked it, and even if you dont agree it is silly to pretend Biden didn’t have to weigh that or the risk it would oppose to the rest of america.
BYW banking or Republicans being putting country over party has been a failing bet for over a decade. No idea why you would trust them no.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j5yznzu wrote
He absolutely did have the power. He created an emergency board that basically made the tenative agreement. They thought the workers should only have one "personal" day. Never did Biden mention sick days. It was Biden and his board that are responsible for the TA.
Why wouldn't you risk it? If republicans let the economy be destroyed over 7 sick days then fuck all of them. Regardless, I never said i trusted them, i dont trust either. You don't seem to understand that carriers pay both sides.
indoninja t1_j5z165p wrote
> Why wouldn't you risk it? If republicans let the economy be destroyed over 7 sick days then fuck all of them
Saying “fuck all of them” doesn’t help the millions of American trying to get by.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j5z1zv1 wrote
Listen, the point is it never had to go to congress. Biden had many options before that should have happened. Why Biden and his board never mentioned sick days should be pretty telling.
indoninja t1_j5z4jfl wrote
Biden alone couldn’t decide a plan and force it. And the one the put forth with an additional personal day did get company and half the union support
For a stick to force 7 sick days he needed the senate. The only people in the senate who voted against sick days were republicans and joe manchin.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j5z58pk wrote
The 4 of the 12 unions it didn't pass made up more than half the workers. That's how unions work it has to pass all the unions.
indoninja t1_j5z5yv2 wrote
For a stick to force 7 sick days he needed the senate. The only people in the senate who voted against sick days were republicans and joe manchin.
There was zero path for Biden to get 7 sick days without republican support in senate.
It want there.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j5z7eyv wrote
Again. The emergency board he created could had made sure it was in the contract months ago... He could had made a second emergency board of different members instead of forcing the failed contract....
indoninja t1_j5zpsu1 wrote
He can’t make people accept what the board says without a law.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j5zrab7 wrote
No it has to be voted on by the unions. Every single thing that was in the report was in the TA. If that would had been in the report and voted on by the unions it would had been passed and there wouldn't be a need for congress. Biden thought one personal day was enough...
indoninja t1_j5ztskn wrote
The unions and the company.
The companies would have said no.
Meaning strike, unless a law was passed.
Again, this is simple , there was no path biden could take to get seven days without going through the senate.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j5zvy0h wrote
If the carriers didn't agree, they'd be going against the presidents recommendation, which most likely they wouldn't. But if they did, what difference would it have made? Why wouldn't he try? Answer is he was on the side of the carriers which the TA was leaning towards. Biden never wanted to give them sick days. Bernie was the only one who did anything.
indoninja t1_j5zz2e0 wrote
You are asking why he didn’t try something he knew the companies would say no to?
Biden pushed for a law that Democrats overwhelmingly supported that was blocked in the senate to give the union what you are talking about.
And the only people you are blaming is Biden and democrats, not the people who actually blocked it.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j600w69 wrote
How do you know that they would say no? We dont, cause he didnt even try. Why would he push the agreement he helped create if he knew the workers werent going to pass it? Like I said, the bill was only on the table because of Sanders, Biden didn't do dick. I dont know hoe many times I have to say that Republicans are just as much garbage as democrats are in Congress.
indoninja t1_j601dsf wrote
> Why would he push the agreement he helped create if he knew the workers werent going to pass it?
He didn’t know that and almost half did accept that.
He clearly knew the companies would t take it because they didn’t have to ask thousands to find out, they had a no for that at the table
> Republicans are just as much garbage as democrats are in Congress.
Almost every democratic supported it while majority of republicans were against it and Biden clearly was for it.
I dont get the mental gymnastics to look at that and say both sides, and I am done repeating the ame facts you are ignoring.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j603zev wrote
Almost half accepted it? You think if Trump got almost half the votes and they just said "fuck it, he almost got half the votes he's president", lol..... How would he think that a contract that literally gave the workers nothing that they asked for would pass? Biden was clearly for forcing the contract. That was it. The sick days was Bernies bill. All of Congress damaged unions in general for years to come. Guess what's gonna happen in a couple years? Carriers will push as hard as they can and the workers will get fucked. The carriers knew the government was on their side. Tell me you're anti-union without telling me you're anti-union, lol.......
indoninja t1_j607aid wrote
Do you not know how this works?
The meeting was between union ladies and the corporations. They knew corporations would say no to the sick days. They had a plan corp would accept and union would vote on. And about half accepted it.
That doesn’t mean I like it or think it was good, but it does mean it had a decent level of support.
You keep pretending Biden had powe to do something else to force companies to take the seven sick days and that is flat out wrong.
Almost every democratic supported it while majority of republicans were against it and Biden clearly was for it. I dont get the mental gymnastics to look at that and say both sides, and I am done repeating the ame facts you are ignoring.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j60u5z0 wrote
You dont seem to understand how it works. The panel is supposed to be indepedent, they dont make the contract. They write a report with what should go into the contract. That doesn't mean they had to put it in the contract, there was no risk in doing that other than it makes the carriers look bad. If Biden was for sick days he would had made sure there was sick days in the contract.
Workers didn't get anything they wanted. The only reason some passed was because they were scared that they would have a worse one forced on them. The unions that passed it were close, not any landslides by any means.
Like I said, logical next step was a second EB. A different perspective with different members. There is no logical reason he didn't do that. It set a dangerous precedent.
We will just have to keep fighting until the government comes in and shuts us down. You don't find it disturbing congress, even democrats, take money from the carriers?
stuntmanbob86 t1_j6056uw wrote
Honestly though, why did he not just make a new board and see what happens vs forcing a failed contract? That would had extended things and avoid the strike.
indoninja t1_j606see wrote
A new board wouldn’t extend it.
stuntmanbob86 t1_j608g1n wrote
Yes it would. A second board would allow 30 days for a new report and 60 for cooldown.
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