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NemosGhost t1_ja39urv wrote

The union won by sheer numbers and then resorting to terrorism.

The Confederates killed way many more yankees than the other way around.

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KA-ME-HA-ME- t1_ja40vme wrote

So what if the traitors killed more patriots? They still lost and killing more makes them worse

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NemosGhost t1_ja43u0y wrote

Lincoln started the war and resorted to rape and terrorism. He is responsible for that. And most of those fighting for the Union did so because Lincoln would fucking arrest or kill them if they didn't.

There was no good side. The Confederate states left for the wrong reason, but they made EVERY attempt to leave peacefully as was their absolute, legally documented, right to do so (right to secession was a condition of ratifying the Constitution). Lincoln refused all diplomacy and started the war, and he didn't give a flying fuck about slavery. He killed those people and shredded the Constitution for power and power alone. That makes him worse by orders of magnitude.

Put the fairy tales down.

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[deleted] t1_ja25quh wrote

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GreyEilesy t1_ja2gso9 wrote

From a simple google search, neither of those claims are true.

Ironclads were invented by the French navy and submarines have been designed multiple times since the 16th century. And even if you stretch it to only include metal submarines, there is the Brandtaucher which predates the confederacy by 10 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandtaucher

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bigsoupsteve t1_ja3gun0 wrote

Lmao as if those idiots could actually invent anything useful

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