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AngryBlitzcrankMain t1_itudomo wrote

Just to help you OP, the "dungheap" thing is completely mythological made up thing. There was no dung under the Prague castle in the 17th century. What happened was that their very "fluffy" style of clothing slowed their fall on a ground, that wasnt 90 degrees against the window, but slightly inclined, which again slowed the impact.

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AgoraiosBum t1_itvyz3y wrote

fluffy clothing would have negligible impact to slow their acceleration; a 70 foot drop isn't big enough to reach speeds close to their terminal velocity that the friction would be a major player (although it would lower their final terminal velocity) - a person reaches terminal velocity after about 1500 feet.

They landed both with something that was softer than stone and also at an incline. Their political opponents claimed it was a dungheap, but it certainly could have been something more benign; lots of layers of fluffy clothes would help with the landing a bit.

At least one of them had severe injuries, though.

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AngryBlitzcrankMain t1_itw4agf wrote

There is too much of a incline (I dont know if thats the proper word). Modern examination proved that they was nothing that could potentially stay in the specific place and slow their fall. Professor Josef Petráň and professor Josef Tesař and others proved that the only thing that had any influence on the slowing of the impact had to be either their clothes or simply the "terrain situation" at the place. If you can read Czech I could provide you with some direct quotes from their research.

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Also not sure where did 70 feet drop come from. The Czech researchers worked with 50 feet, which is the height of the window from which Slavata, Martinic and Fabricius were thrown from.

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AgoraiosBum t1_itwcsao wrote

At 50 feet, the clothes have even less of an impact on slowing their descent - the friction from the air increases as the speed increases, and they aren't going fast enough after just 50 feet.

But as I did say, the clothes and the incline would help dissipate the force of the impact. So clothes can make a difference (so if you meant slowed the forces on them at impact, then yes, we are in agreement)

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AngryBlitzcrankMain t1_itwd8gp wrote

Sure, english isnt my first or second language, so we probably do. Still, the main point is that the paper/dung/trash heap Story Is just innacurate.

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th4t1guy t1_itxx8r0 wrote

This has been fascinating. Thanks for your contributions.

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Polymarchos t1_itv8cao wrote

Source? That sounds more fantastical than the dungheap story which was accepted without question by the academic sources I've read.

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AngryBlitzcrankMain t1_itvbh3t wrote

If you read Czech I can recommend you something. My history teacher at university was one of the historians who went against the dungheep/trashheep story and spent a lot of time going through primary sources to dispute that.

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Mddcat04 t1_itw6mmt wrote

I thought the dungheap was the counter-explanation for why they survived being tossed out the window. One side basically said “wow, these people were tossed out the window and didn’t die, God must have protected them.” Then the other side was like “wasn’t God, they landed in poop.”

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AngryBlitzcrankMain t1_itw7js2 wrote

Yes. And it was inclined area under the window+ the baggy/fluffy clothes. Both sides tried propaganda.

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