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Procrustean1066 t1_j0ll5ey wrote
How did so many people die if the boat was docked?
ZirePhiinix t1_j0llvao wrote
It took only 2 minutes to flip over, while the Titanic took hours.
Seraph062 t1_j0mmos1 wrote
Calling the Eastland "sunk" might be a bit of a stretch. The ship rolled onto its side and then settled into the mud, but a lot (most?) of the ship was still above water.
Creepy-Solution t1_j0lru6x wrote
Overcorrecters gonna overcorrect
PuzzleheadedClothes4 t1_j0k2tge wrote
It was even worse than the title can portray—these were overworked factory employees and their families who were heading to a company picnic and they tipped over sideways shortly after boarding.
angroro t1_j0k51yy wrote
It wasn't just the life boats that caused this either. It had a solid cement deck which left her top heavy and was known for having issues staying level in the water. It was never built to be a passenger ship and couldn't bear the load of the near 1000 guests at the upper levels. Many had commented on the ship being dangerous and a warning had been issued to the captain that she was lurching before all of the passengers had even boarded. He chose to ignore the warning. He also argued that rescuers couldn't cut into the hull to save trapped passengers, though I can't remember his reasoning.
The whole situation was a horrific yet avoidable tragedy.
PuzzleheadedClothes4 t1_j0k6g9x wrote
Yes! I am wondering if you watched the same video I did—it was helpful in understanding the magnitude of this.
angroro t1_j0k6ohs wrote
I have watched it! I knew a bit before seeing the video, but the additional details from AAM were sobering.
thisusedyet t1_j0k9baw wrote
Saw the title, was going to come in with the Palatine 'Ironic' picture, but turns out it was just a badly designed ship with a shitty captain.
angroro t1_j0n8dae wrote
She wasn't poorly designed for what she was intended for. She was a cargo ship I believe. It was the modifications to make her a passenger ship and a defective ballast system. The captain had managed her well despite her issues for many years. It was a combination of over confidence and I'm assuming grief on the captain's part. He refused to leave her as she rolled over and it was honestly a battle to remove him from her hull.
She was however the wrong ship for the job. That may boil down to just pure greed.
thisusedyet t1_j0ncre7 wrote
Obvious disclaimer of I am not a shipwright, but:
A concrete deck high up on the ship would make it incredibly susceptible to overturning, what would be the benefit of that to counterbalance the obvious risk to the ship?
angroro t1_j0njpdn wrote
She should never have had concrete poured onto the deck during conversion to a passenger ship. It really just gave the Eastland a flatter, more usable deck for people. The only benefit was not having to build a whole new ship and making money.
herbw t1_j0qqpd2 wrote
Most disasters ARE, in retrospect, disasters. But it often takes empirical events to prove that. Like amanita poisoning. Then the warnings are believed, and no one builds more ships with concrete decks....
Test, test, test. Confirm, confirm, confirm. That always sorts the wheat from the chaff.
MCBADDY69 t1_j0kxrjj wrote
Tl,dr If you're like me and wondered why you hadn't heard of the boat carrying the Titanic's lifeboats sinking---
They made a law requiring lifeboats for 75% of your passengers, and the extra weight of the boats sank this one. In Chicago.
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Sir_DeChunk t1_j0lzurq wrote
But it was not carrying the Titanic's lifeboats.
vindicativevandal t1_j0mx7i8 wrote
This should be top comment.
jimmycurry01 t1_j0lav52 wrote
Footage of this disaster randomly turned up a few years ago. No one new it existed. A grad student found it while looking for footage from World War One.
running_on_empty t1_j0ns8h6 wrote
Here it is, colorized. Really interesting to watch.
accio_niffler t1_j0le0wr wrote
Learned about this recently from Ask a Mortician on YouTube. Highly recommend
[deleted] t1_j0kzmxp wrote
Could they not have...you know...used those lifeboats and survived?
Mysterious_Glass_692 t1_j0l9l5c wrote
The ship capsized so that would have rendered half the lifeboats unusable and the remaining half much harder to launch. Apparently most the victims were trapped below deck and drowned.
herbw t1_j0ms0tc wrote
same as titanic: upper rich decks survived, lower decks drowned.
once again proving that if we tell the truth on TIL, we get downvoted. That tells us more about the Reddit than the sciences.
Or as Twain stated, if you want to stay out of trouble in your lifetime,, NEVER state the whole truth in public.
AKA, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not true. A big logical point persons whose decisions are amygdaloid and crotch centered, usually fail in life.
No laschiari que il testa piccolo domini la testa grande....
PS: The evile bots are still busy here.
Bananapopsicles t1_j0l6h3g wrote
Ship hits the fan did an episode on it
socialistRanter t1_j0n6f6x wrote
Yeah it’s the first episode too
ksdkjlf t1_j0k6b9h wrote
> a small steamer who
Contrary to popular belief, even though they are traditionally referred to as "she", boats are not, in fact, people. You want which
GoGaslightYerself t1_j0l00s6 wrote
On the other hand, if the title read "...S.S. Eastland...whose deck was filled with so many..."
ksdkjlf t1_j0mlp2s wrote
Good point! Language be weird like that.
Which is actually partially derived from who, going back to the Proto-Germanic terms equivalent to who + like. And in Middle English which was used where Modern English uses who, as in the King James version of the Lord's Prayer: "Our Father, which art in heaven..."
And what and who are derived from the same root, which is how they both wound up having the same genitive form whose, rather than having whose and something like whats.
Personally I think it'd be fine if we got to the point where who & which became interchangeable or one replaced the other, as there's fundamentally no reason to distinguish between the two. Like, I've noticed a resurgence in people using whom — often incorrectly — and quite frankly we just need to let that word die, as there's no case where its job can't be done just as well by who.
But we're far from that point, and using who as OP did will still strike the overwhelming majority of users as an error (unlike using who for whom, which only the most ardent of pedants will truly wrinkle their noses at). So it's probably best avoided, and only used when referring to people and not objects.
vindicativevandal t1_j0mxi71 wrote
Hey, I like whom. What’s yer beef with misuse, anyway?
herbw t1_j0mt0h0 wrote
Only metaphorically and in the dictionaries as neuter gender nouns. clearly haven't read a dictionary lately.
nonsense_bill t1_j0ktiax wrote
I didn't know either, thanks. That was an interesting read.
stinkytinkles t1_j0mcqx1 wrote
Just a couple blocks from the site of the Iroquois Theater fire as well
rosesandpiglets t1_j0smvj4 wrote
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCHt2MOVCbg
Great documentary for those interested. Most of them died deaths far worse than cold Atlantic water
canyoudigitnow t1_j1awnys wrote
Great video!
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ThePhoenixBird2022 t1_j0kvebu wrote
So, by my maths (dodgy at best), more people died on the titanic, but crew weren't counted because they didn't buy a ticket?
Protomartyr1 t1_j0le0zk wrote
No, 844 passengers and 4 crew members died, compared to 1,490-1,635 (including crew) on the titanic The reason why the numbers on the titanic range so much is because of various record keeping errors and people traveling under aliases being counted twice
Sir_DeChunk t1_j0m0bfq wrote
My numbers say 817 passengers, and 679 crew died, for a total of 1496 people on the Titanic. This counts the Guarantee group (people like Thomas Andrews) and the musicians as passengers.
herbw t1_j0msl4b wrote
Titanic was a far larger passenger ship, so course there were more losses on the Titanic.
If a buss crashes there are often way more casualties, than if a single car crashes.
These statistical facts are muy mysterioso to many.
vemenium t1_j0lou87 wrote
“You always hear after a ship crashes that the only thing that survives are the lifeboats, so why don’t they just make the whole ship out of lifeboats?”
- early 20th century hack comedians
herbw t1_j0mrsrh wrote
same bad management then.
GoodyChaos t1_j0le8fz wrote
The Grey Lady has entered the chat.
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ZirePhiinix t1_j0k5cqh wrote
The entire accident was crazy because the boat was docked. It is a combination of poor engineering and poor regulation that resulted in this accident.