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SmoothSlavperator t1_j7p756t wrote

What exactly was the racial slur? What a slur is these days is a bit subjective...sometimes. A lot of times no, but also frequently yes.

Secondly, why does a statement of "hate has no place here" firstly have a fist and secondly a logo of a copyrighted brand?

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EvilSubnetMask t1_j7pimq5 wrote

Does which slur was used really matter? A slur is a slur, it's just hate speech. Which particular racial slur is probably irrelevant. Given previous occurrences this year already and the girls in the article pictures are black, I'm sure we can probably guess. If your kid was the target of the statement, would it really matter to you which word they used to insult and degrade them? To answer your other questions:

The raised fist is a globally recognized symbol of solidarity against oppression.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/history-of-raised-fist-global-symbol-fighting-oppression

"Hate has no Home Here" is a non-profit group from Chicago that is trying to combat hate speech.

https://hatehasnohomehere.wordpress.com/about/

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TheTowerBard t1_j7pkqr3 wrote

Oh look, yet another racist.

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SmoothSlavperator t1_j7pltlg wrote

Oh look, another dipshit 12 year old that doesn't understand the nuance and intricacies of language and the overall complexity of the entire issue and just wants to get on a high horse, bludgeon everyone instead of actually work through and solve an issue.

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TheTowerBard t1_j7pn08y wrote

Nope. In my 40s, grew up in VT, have lived all over the country as an adult including major cities, and moved back.

You know we solve this issue? We, as a society, stop tolerating intolerance. We stop putting up with your ignorance and blind hatred of everything simply because folks like you live in constant fear. Grow the eff up and reflect on how people are reacting to your bullshit here. You're a racist. Full stop.

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SmoothSlavperator t1_j7pn7ym wrote

...and didn't learn anything in your travels I see.

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TheTowerBard t1_j7pnin6 wrote

Nope, I learned a lot. One of the things I learned was the paradox of tolerance. I also did a lot of homeless outreach throughout the country. What have you been up to the last few decades?

I am sorry Vermont's education system failed you. You should get out and see the world a bit bro, it's not as scary as the angry man on TV says it is.

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SmoothSlavperator t1_j7pyrp3 wrote

I'm a scientist near a major city. I work in STEM in an environment where I am the minority. I have two godchildren, neither are white. One is the offspring of a refugee, the other is the offspring of an undocumented immigrant. I speak 3 languages and can partially understand about 5 additional.

At what point did I say racism should be tolerated? I asked for more information.

Combatting racism is a lot like combatting terrorism. If you come in heavy handed, it causes people to dig in and you wind up with more racists. Racism is learned either from their upbringing environment or their life experiences. You have to TEACH people to not be racist, you can't beat them over the head with it and expect them to change. Half the kids you see slipping like that aren't even racist, they're still developing emotionally and think they're being edgy or cool by doing such things. You have to show them that that is not the way. Your saviorism is getting in the way of developing any real strategy to combat the issue. Its like herding cats.

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MargaerySchrute t1_j7q35i9 wrote

This argument is like saying “I’m not racist because I have black friends”, and that isn’t how it works.

When you ask what slur is used, it puts the emphasis on the wrong thing: the word, when the issue is the intent of using these words. We don’t need to know the slur in order to change the behavior.

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SmoothSlavperator t1_j7q3fbx wrote

People in this sub love jumping to conclusions.

I concur, intent is what matters. What slurs and the context can give clues as to intent. Once you have a better handle on exactly what transpired, then you can more effectively address it in a manner that works the most efficiently.

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TheTowerBard t1_j7q0h28 wrote

So you want to continue to tolerate intolerance? What you describe is the failed approach we have been using for generations. It doesn't work. We need to stop tolerating intolerance, wholly and completely. Full stop.

The things you wrote in this last comment don't jive with your original statements btw. Someone as smart as you that has diversity in your life and in your family knows EXCATLY what slurs are and exactly why they aren't ok to use in this setting. Shame on you, for real. So enough of this bullshit gaslighting. If you are who you say you are, you wouldn't ask the questions you asked.

You don't have to take my word for any of this, either. Go ahead reread MLK's Letter From Birmingham Jail. Educate yourself on the paradox of tolerance. People much smarter than both of us have been trying to get you moderates to recognize this approach doesn't work for generations now. Listen to them, not me.

You want to get racism out of our communities? Make it VERY CLEAR that this bullshit isn't welcome here in any way shape or form. And when LITERAL CHILDREN tell you they are fed up with the racism they experience, shut your mouth and listen instead of trying to spark an ignorant debate about what slurs are ok. Why? Because that is racist. You are being racist. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but here we are. You know better.

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SmoothSlavperator t1_j7q1b0k wrote

So what do you do when everyone your bludgeoning Balkanizes?

At no point did I say it should be tolerated. Soft power, steady pressure.

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TheTowerBard t1_j7q2idm wrote

We are balkanizing anyway. We have been doing the approach you are advocating for and the thing you are suggesting will happen if we do things "my" way is already happening while doing things your way.

Again, MLK literally disagrees with you. Maybe this is a good time for us all to reread some of his works and reflect on them. It is black history month, afterall. And don't slack on the paradox of tolerance, either.

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anusty t1_j7p90fa wrote

People need to get over themselves. When I grew up in VT, we were responsible for our own feelings, not everyone else. Meritocracy ruled, not everyone gets a ribbon.

Only the strong survive; it’s an absolute truth in all of nature…the eternal truth, we’re always at war fighting battles among our fellow humans trying to survive and be happy. Doesn’t always have to be kinetic to be war.

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Sudden_Dragonfly2638 t1_j7pf4zm wrote

You realize the reason we are not still stone age brutes is because we came together in groups to achieve a common purpose?

Get your head out of your ass and realize you are responsible to/for others in addition to yourself.

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TheTowerBard t1_j7plu4x wrote

People have been helping people since the dawn of man, even when we were stone age brutes. We see it everywhere in nature to. Comments like that person's are just the result of a lifetime of brainwashing. They are afraid of everything and everyone.

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anusty t1_j7qz47t wrote

Nothing I said contradicts your point, with which I don’t disagree, but at the end of the day…Darwin was right.

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TheTowerBard t1_j7pll7w wrote

This is the ignorant bullshit they brainwashed you with. You want to know another eternal truth? Human beings have always looked out for each other and helped the weakest of their communities. Since the dawn of man. You also see this behavior EVERYWHERE in nature.

"Only the strong survive" can only be said if you apply ZERO thought into what you are saying (how very on brand). It's genuinely the dumbest and most ignorant of all the the dumb ignorant things you chuds say. Even you, as tough and independent as you want to pretend you are, I guarantee you have people you watch out for in life. And I bet there are people watching out for you too. Good on you, but stop pretending there is some issue when other people look out for others as well.

With that said, your racist bullshit isn't welcome in Vermont. Never has been and never will be.

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anusty t1_j7qwc1m wrote

No one said might makes right, stupid

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anusty t1_j7r3cce wrote

Only when you infer your own meaning to the statement. You don’t know my intent nor I yours

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MargaerySchrute t1_j7q4774 wrote

“Only the strong survive” So are you admitting you are weak? Because that’s the vibe this is giving. You must really loathe the lesser-abled population. @sudden dragonfly is right, get your head out of your ass

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