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WhatTheCluck802 t1_jcp9iq8 wrote

This makes me so angry, the selfishness of that action is beyond the pale. How can someone be so self absorbed to not care about the horrible impacts to that train engineer. It is inexcusable to have someone else kill you like this woman did - she’s dead but that poor engineer will live with this horrible memory for the rest of his life. Infuriating. There are a million other methods that, while devastating to family and traumatic to first responders to deal with a body dead by suicide, will not actively engage another person in taking your life. This is truly an evil action on her part.

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[deleted] t1_jcpggd4 wrote

Suicidal people aren’t thinking rationally, by definition.

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WhatTheCluck802 t1_jcprkj5 wrote

Doesn’t excuse the responsibility to have basic decency to other humans.

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phat5pliff t1_jcpxd3q wrote

I mean… basic decency doesn’t mean shit when you are mentally ill to the point of a violent suicide. Yeah, obviously it’s awful for the conductor but you’re pretty much victim blaming someone who may or may not have had the mental capacity to rationalize how it would affect others. You can have empathy for both victims.

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assholelarry t1_jcpfjjm wrote

I had a cousin who was a locomotive engineer. He was on duty when a woman chose to use his train to commit suicide. He struggled for a couple of years before committing suicide (pills) himself. He said he couldn’t ever not see those last moments.

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pocketlily t1_jcq6aai wrote

Rode a commuter train in a different state for many years and became friendly with the conductors and engineers. Discussing it with them after being a passenger on one of those trains, it was alarming to find out how common it was for trains to hit people. Tragic because the engineers are usually powerless to do anything about it because they typically cannot stop the train in time.

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LukeMayeshothand t1_jcpkq4q wrote

I’m not so angry at them. Think of all those ways to go some painless yet this person chose to get hit by a train? This is someone who was in deep pain. I empathize with the trauma to the engineer but damn no on goes out like that that is in their right mind.

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WhatTheCluck802 t1_jcprzk8 wrote

Doesn’t excuse the lack of basic decency to others.

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LukeMayeshothand t1_jcpt2zo wrote

I didn’t say it did but could you have some empathy and realize this person was in a mental state that probably wouldn’t allow those thoughts. I mean the operator is alive but this person got hit by a fucking train. On purpose. Who the fuck does that!

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JodaUSA t1_jcppj4i wrote

Eh, yeah its not a good way to kill yourself, but should we really be making this a moral Olympic sport? Like what are we gonna say? Judges rate it 4.4 do better next time??

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WhatTheCluck802 t1_jcpqjq0 wrote

It’s immoral to use someone else to kill you.

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foomp t1_jcrbhto wrote

All of the moral compunction is gone when you're dead.

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DaddyBobMN t1_jcpdzzg wrote

I was watching a documentary about a town with a strong rail history and one of the engineers said that any of them that had made life careers of the job (he was talking postwar to the 80s) had hit and killed someone at some point, whether on foot or in their vehicles. I can't imagine me and all so many of my coworkers having to live with that.

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Sisyphean_ambition t1_jcq8aqe wrote

This tragedy isn’t making you angry, your narrow perspective is making you angry. Maybe you should unpack whatever past trauma you’ve experienced and learn to have some compassion.

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kidcommon t1_jctcejb wrote

I absolutely feel for this engineer and anyone else who witnessed or was impacted by her death

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While this seems like it was intentional, we can’t just assume she was a person who was depressed and has decided to die.

She may have been struggling with a different reality that contributed to her actions. For instance, if a person was under the delusion that killing themselves this way would save the rest of humanity from getting hit by an asteroid, would you have a different opinion of her? If she was hallucinating that children were on the tracks and she opted to get hit first, so they didn’t, would you have a different opinion of her?

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WhatTheCluck802 t1_jctgvx2 wrote

If she genuinely had no control over her brain, then yes. But I struggle to accept that this is the case when this sort of thing happens - sort of like the Bourgoin case who killed the kids from Harwood by intentionally smashing into their car. The lack of caring about anyone else’s well being in the pursuit of your own death is just unfathomable.

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kidcommon t1_jcth6u8 wrote

As a person working in Vermont with people who attempted suicide, or want to, the scenarios I described are incredibly common. More so than you think. Very very very many people do not share your reality.

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Melodic_District_413 t1_jd9sjoo wrote

Don't compare her to someone who killed children. You have no idea what it was like to be in her mind and I hope you never go through whatever pain she was in. I am praying for her and her family. The higher power and light is more powerful than any pain on this earth. I pray Young woman that you are safe and in the divine light where you belong. I lost a family member in a similar way and the thing to do right now is pray for them. Not speaking I'll and causing more pain for their family. She is forgiven. She is no longer suffering. God is love.

So say we all.

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funky_ass_flea_bass t1_jctfl55 wrote

I mean, she was suicidal, she probably wasn’t thinking of all the above. That’s sick to call her evil.

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Other_Ad_7184 t1_jcv3cze wrote

Thank you, my niece wasn't evil. Even though she was carrying a deep hurt she was always trying to make someone smile and feel better.

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thelasagna t1_jcylwwj wrote

I’m so sorry about your niece. Be kind to yourself and give yourself love.

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WhatTheCluck802 t1_jcth8em wrote

Being suicidal shouldn’t give someone a pass to do whatever the hell they want when it impacts the lives of innocent strangers. In this case - the engineer. Another case is that Bourgoin guy who killed a car full of Harwood students by smashing into it intentionally. Those sorts of actions should never be acceptable.

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Nanotude t1_jctnb99 wrote

Anyone who is at the point of committing to this action is not well, not thinking right and can't be judged as if they had any idea of the consequences of their actions. Agreed it is awful for anyone witnessing it, and my heart goes out to them. But you can't judge an unwell person.

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Melodic_District_413 t1_jd563xj wrote

That's right. Incomprehensible pain is not "evil". But harassing bereaved family members is.

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Other_Ad_7184 t1_jcv2xv5 wrote

Dude, your parents raised an evil person to make such ignorant and insensitive remarks on public social media and not caring if relatives see it.

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WhatTheCluck802 t1_jcv51he wrote

I’d feel the same way if one of my relatives did this, definitely not fair to make an innocent stranger suffer the consequences of one’s decision to end their life.

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