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cho_bits t1_ivn57o6 wrote

And by a landslide! I think our guy silent Cal said it best: “If the spirit of liberty should vanish in other parts of the Union, and support of our institutions should languish, it could all be replenished from the generous store held by the people of this brave little state of Vermont.”

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flirtingwithdanger t1_ivn6lju wrote

> With more than 205,000 votes counted, ‘yes’ votes for Proposal 5 outnumbered ‘no’ votes by a margin of 72%-22%, according to a preliminary vote count released by the Secretary of State’s Office at 10:20 p.m. Tuesday.

I love this song.

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contrary-contrarian t1_ivn8cmf wrote

Now those god awful YouTube ads can stop. Spend your shill money in some other state!!

Victory for reason! Victory for common sense! Victory for equality!

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Replying to prius_enjoyer (#480,861)

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gingersnapped7 t1_ivne0ao wrote

Such a relief. Proud of my brave little state.

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bakerton t1_ivo4ebu wrote

Jesus the money and time that was spent fighting this you'd think it was going to be 49%-51%. I wonder if we could ever calculate how much fucking money was spent against this.

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Mr-Bovine_Joni t1_ivo539y wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#480,574)

> dignity to determine one’s own life course and shall not be denied or infringed

I don’t know shit about the law, but doesn’t this portion sound… very pro-life?

Edit - I guess I shouldn’t have asked?

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halfar t1_ivob4m7 wrote

Replying to bakerton (#482,125)

Only an idiot people would think "We don't need to worry about this until it becomes a problem". This is a safeguard for the future.

To be an idiot and think preparing for the future is not worth our time is one thing... But I would go a step further and say it would take an exceptional fucking moron to practice complacency after what happened with Roe v. Wade. How many of you fucking mouthbreathers used to say it'd never get repealed? How many of you said not to worry? How many of you said right now's not the time? How many of you said to wait?

I hope the day will never come where this amendment becomes our foremost line of defense, because when that day comes there will surely be people like you poking spears in our backs.

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bakerton t1_ivobojy wrote

Replying to halfar (#482,498)

Just to clarify, I agree the amendment is needed, the waste I was talking about was these anti groups, who must have done SOME polling, seeing a 25-75 split and still chucking good money after bad.

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Replying to okeefm (#482,541)

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eye-brows t1_ivocopa wrote

Replying to bakerton (#482,529)

No, I totally get what you meant. You can chuck millions of dollars at Vermonters, and it's not going to convince Vermonters that "abortion bad". I'm glad these lobbyists are idiots and are wasting their money.

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vtjohnhurt t1_ivoexo1 wrote

If the US Congress made federal law that allowed/prohibited abortion, would it override state constitutions? Federal laws override state laws because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

I believe the Vermont Constitution is just the supreme state law of Vermont so the Supremacy Clause would overrule it. The Republicans won't have a super majority to override a Biden veto.

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ScarletRead t1_ivohusj wrote

This was a bigger margin than we even hoped for. Thank you to all of you who voted. This is a powerful rebuke!

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All_Is_Imagination t1_ivojbpd wrote

As a Massachusetts resident (and fan of Vermont), congrats to you guys!

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mojitz t1_ivol20j wrote

Replying to bakerton (#482,529)

That's what I figured when I first saw the ads, then a poll came out a couple weeks back or whatever showing basically this exact result and I was flabbergasted for the same reason.

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cho_bits t1_ivoo10t wrote

Replying to Generic_Commenter-X (#482,253)

Yes! And Kentucky and Montana, also pretty red states. Everywhere abortion access was on the ballot, it passed. An important reminder that banning abortion is a fringe/ minority opinion in the US.

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VThillbilly t1_ivopwui wrote

Wow so many people happy to see it in a constitution to kill babies that's actually a pretty sad thing I'm not pro ether side kinda in the middle you know heartbeats and such. I didn't agree with one side saying none at all and I definitely didn't agree with the side that says up to and even after birth. But it is what it is. Just sad to see so many people happy about it. We got to get back to a common ground where thing can be talked out both sides are way to extreme we will lose our republic if things keep going this way. I know most of you will shit on me but I really don't care and won't read any replies. Good day to you all

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Plenty-Jaguar2581 t1_ivoqvxa wrote

Yay for dead fetuses and loose morals!!! I f’ing love Vermont!!!!

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HardTacoKit t1_ivorogv wrote

Replying to VThillbilly (#483,455)

>and even after birth.

Stop it with this nonsense. That would be murder. Nobody is killing babies after they are born. And if they do they will be charged with, you know, killing a person.

This is about womens reproductive rights.

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RedPillChef109 t1_ivotp3t wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#480,574)

What are gender equal reproductive rights? Show me where biological men, being half of the issue of reproduction, have any reproductive agency or autonomy enshrined in law at either the state or federal level. I'll wait.

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R50cent t1_ivow0a8 wrote

Replying to VThillbilly (#483,455)

"I'm not pro either side" "Kill babies" "We need to get back to a common ground"

You should work on practicing what you preach then, and understand the argument isn't "killing babies" like some want to pretend it is, if you're trying to find common ground that is.

I'm going to pretend you actually said any of that in good faith, and I'm going to leave you with the best argument I've ever seen on the matter, just in case you actually do care and aren't just another dick claiming a moral position where none actually exists.

http://humanist.de/wissenschaft/sagan001/

\I really hope you read this. I really do. You say you want to find common ground, you say all these things, but then betray your entire argument by saying you wont read anything.

It's sad. Do better, or just don't share your opinion next time. Nobody has time for myopic bigotry or obtuse arguments, but plenty of people have time for a real discussion. Good day to you as well I guess.

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halfbakedblake t1_ivp5aq5 wrote

Replying to VThillbilly (#483,455)

Do some research on quality of life when roe v Wade passed. I'd rather them not live, then live a terrible life or get sent to war for someone they never will know.

All republics fall. I believe all we have now is some stage dressing that makes up the "republic."

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whaletacochamp t1_ivpabow wrote

and then 10% of my town voted to not officially abolish slavery from our constitution....

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whaletacochamp t1_ivpc0dt wrote

Replying to VThillbilly (#483,455)

Hey guess what idiot - the common ground is that a patient and a doctor are the only two people who need to have any say in this matter. Your obviously highly informed/educated opinion on the matter means fuck all.

Of course you don't care and won't read any replies. Just like every other hard core conservative you are too ignorant and self centered to even entertain that your point of view may be flawed/misinformed/under informed and will choose to push your head firmly up your asshole rather than use logic and common sense to navigate the world.

YOU are what is a danger to our republic. If nothing else shut the ever living fuck about "abortions after birth" since no one has EVER discussed that and that literally doesn't even fit the definition of abortion.

By the way, the only thing I can deduce about your "morals" from this comment is that you completely lack any legitimate morals and instead have created your own personal delusion of morality that fits your personal agenda and opinions. It's about as far from being moral as you can get.

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whaletacochamp t1_ivpdsd2 wrote

Replying to Plenty-Jaguar2581 (#484,895)

What in the fuck are you talking about you dingus. I know nothing of your race, creed, gender identification, etc. All I know is you are here making a ridiculous baseless claim based on your emotion and completely lacking logic. Your comment is insensitive toward the folks who have had to go through with abortions, and the lack of legitimate evidence to back you up indicates that you are just here to echo the opinion of your party. So, my comment is saying that, if you hate Vermont so much, you are more than welcome to leave. Other states are way more open to people with your opinion on this matter, and as we saw yesterday and here today the majority of the states population disagrees with your opinion.

SO, it sounds best for all parties if you just fucking left our state. I don't care what color, creed, or gender ID you are. Additionally, if you were a racial minority or had a gender ID other than your birth gender - i can pretty much guarantee you would be pro-choice. So stop with the bullshit games and using fake protected status to hide behind/be edgy/act like a general dick bag.

You are a piece of shit. Go back to /r/trashy where you seem to enjoy yourself the most.

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Plenty-Jaguar2581 t1_ivpebcw wrote

Don’t back peddle now you bigot!! You said what you said!! You knew I was a black trans. I am sincerely happy for the election results here in VT… i said “yay” .. now stop harassing me

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you_give_me_coupon t1_ivplh9p wrote

Replying to halfar (#482,498)

> > > I hope the day will never come where this amendment becomes our foremost line of defense, because when that day comes there will surely be people like you poking spears in our backs.

How much defense will it really provide? A federal law banning abortion will just supercede the VT constitution, no? It will protect against a state law though, unless a new amendment gets passed.

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whaletacochamp t1_ivprps3 wrote

Replying to Real-Pierre-Delecto2 (#485,832)

Yeah I'm the hateful one here. Fucking love that line that all of you right wing folks use "you're all so full of hate!" - I'm not the one taking away a woman's access to birth control and then making her carry a child that she cant care for to full term so that it can have a shitty life but, yeah, I'm the hateful one.

You and this other guy can meet me at the pit at noon tomorrow and I'll say all of this and more to both of your faces. Please bring 10 grand cash.

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Electrical-Bed8577 t1_ivq1hjf wrote

Replying to Generic_Commenter-X (#482,995)

Consider this, novelist: Self publish. Then you get to keep more of your money. It isn't difficult to court book stores. Publishing houses will do that for you for less, after you prove your public demand. Making a cover can be done fairly easily as well. It's the inside page and back cover that the Houses are really good with. If you want an agent, quietly wait for their critique and advisement on page and cover. That's how you'll know how good they are. Forgive me if you know all this. Vermont is perfect for writing in the fall; many a foliage emotion poured onto my pages. Can't wait to leave this beach for the snow.

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Electrical-Bed8577 t1_ivq27d5 wrote

Vermont Constitution will be on my entry display. This is History.

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meinblown t1_ivqcclw wrote

Replying to you_give_me_coupon (#485,252)

Yeah, but you are taking away ad revenue from the channels you watch. At least with my premium account they are getting paid for my views, so they can keep making the content I enjoy watching, and I don't have to watch pointless ads constantly.

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SPedigrees t1_ivqdrji wrote

I voted for it, but I'm not thrilled with language within the bill that tosses decisions/interpretations back to the courts. A lot of laws throughout history have been struck down, or at least been deemed unenforceable, due to laws being judged "void for vagueness." I would have preferred a bill with very specific language, liberally peppered with these terms: "abortion," "women," "tubal ligation, "vasectomy," and so on. But this is what there was, so I endorsed it with my vote and even had a "pro-article22" bumpersticker made for my car. I hope it will provide the autonomy it promises for women seeking abortion, but we'll see I guess.

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Generic_Commenter-X t1_ivqejz1 wrote

Replying to Electrical-Bed8577 (#486,408)

To be a successful self-publisher, one has to put the time into self-promotion and, I think, have some knowledge of marketing. I'm a terrible self-promoter and have no knowledge of marketing. All I want to do is write. I actually approached two hybrid publishers for my first novel, but wasn't all that impressed by what they offered. They won't do marketing (despite their somewhat vague claims) and that's where the rubber hits the road. That's the skin in the game. But none of this is to say that I don't appreciate your insights and experience. And yes, Vermont is perfect for writing. Have you published anything?

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you_give_me_coupon t1_ivqfcyw wrote

Replying to meinblown (#487,026)

If you trust Google. I'm fine not giving money to an unaccountable, amoral megacorp and hoping they'll give it over to people making videos. More than half of the channels I watch are demonetized anyway (nothing salacious, just history stuff like The Great War).

Fundamentally, it's my computer, so I get to decide what it does, including whether it fetches and displays ads. If someone's business model revolves around me voluntarily doing something I don't want to do, that's either harmful or just a waste, that's not my problem.

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SPedigrees t1_ivqfnmo wrote

Replying to VThillbilly (#483,455)

Here's a history lesson for you. Back when abortion was originally made illegal in a by-gone era in England, the intent was to protect women from dying in an era before sterile conditions and antibiotics. This law which travelled to the new world as part of British common law had zero to do with protecting the life of a fetal collection of cells. The beginning of life at this time in history was defined in a sane and rational way as "when a baby is born and brought forth."

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Electrical-Bed8577 t1_ivqfofk wrote

Replying to Generic_Commenter-X (#487,155)

Haha I also just really do not want to do promotions, signings, etc., so I stick to ghost writing. I've been rewarded and had pages stolen, co-opted and all of the above by some well seeded authors and producers. I'm OK with that since it's more fun than vocation. It's alot easier to copyright than it was 20 yrs ago (been writing and hanging with writers since a teen) but it's also easier to infringe without penalty. Edit: Please don't let my statement about the nature of the business slow you down. Sometimes others can do more with your work than you could have imagined, or they put it on screen nearly exactly as it was in your imagination. Also, marketing is really just talking to people who Are interested in what you have going on, they just don't know it yet.

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Dck_IN_MSHED_POTATOS t1_ivqgf7b wrote

Nice - I'm not from Vermont. Acutally, i'm a nomad from everywhere but right now in CO.

Question: How did Vermont vote Totally Opposite for Senate & Governor? It's something like 70/30 Dem, then 70/30 Rep? Like how? Just curious.

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Electrical-Bed8577 t1_ivqkoib wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#482,757)

Interestingly, States I once loved (including Montana) voted against women's health care for pregnancy that is frighteningly unexpected (unhealthy, criminal, non-viable, dangerous) and also voted against care for children born of such strife or danger, even when born of children. Miscarriage also falls into this Healthcare need. I'm glad I won't need to try to find a good lawyer before I try to find a good doctor.

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Generic_Commenter-X t1_ivr1nl4 wrote

Replying to Electrical-Bed8577 (#487,217)

Oh cool. Ghost writing! That's sort of like translating. Sort of. I've always wondered what it would be like to ghostwrite. Give me something of yours to ghost write. You can claim it as your own. It will be ghost-written ghost writing. I remember many of the books my daughter read when she was in gradeschool—most of them ghost-written if they were a series. Hey, that reminds me, I wrote 2/3rds of a Star Trek novel when I was in my twenties. I wonder if I could still find that somewhere? It was Next Generation is the problem. Never liked Next Generation. Sort of poisoned the well. Never finished it, but it was a decent novel. Sometimes I'm tempted to write a Dr Who book (through the franchise). I've heard some books are turned into episodes. That would be a lark.

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maimonides t1_iwixmsr wrote

Replying to xxl_gal (#482,444)

I agree with you, though I’m far less than 110% for it. Just say abortion. Don’t obscure the issue by saying “rights” or “autonomy” or “healthcare.”

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