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CloneFailArmy t1_ja1diwv wrote

Reply to comment by LordNineWind in Most G20 nations condemn Russia for war, China silent by bluelotus214

India isn’t even our ally though. We hate them too and they hate us likewise. They’re in that weird allied to Russia but hates China category

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slipnips t1_ja1ncvz wrote

If by 'we' you mean the Reddit diplomats, then perhaps you're right. If by 'we' you mean the western governments, then it's not accurate, as states don't have love-hate relationships like middle schoolers. The only factor that matters is whether their national interests are served through a relationship.

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CulturalFlight6899 t1_ja23vy2 wrote

A lot of Indians do seem to hate the US and West as a whole, which makes sense.

And whilst you are correct about national interests, that too is served by domestic opinions.

Indians love Russia as they have been cultural but especially great military partners since the cold War, very dependable. So there isn't anyone upset over 90% military dependency upon Russia or relying upon em for crucial imports of certain natural resources (oil, some minerals)

On the other hand, America when being run by our great grandfathers is not reliable at all. In the Col War when India sided with the Soviets USA stupidly thought it smart to side with Pakistan, and then not only underplayed genocide but also sent ships off coast. Soviets responded with nuclear sub, in India's defense.

Hence many Indians (can see them in this thread) as skeptical of any reliance upon the West, even mutually beneficial trade and dealing between private companies.

This is one reason why China is a fast growing trade partner to India, and will likely reap even more gains from Indias growth as it exports massive amounts. Whilst some Indians online claim to hate China more than US, their money sings a different tune and we should pay attention to that.

Doesn't mean give up on India entirely as a partner, but accept it will never join any kind of military alliance and instead the best we might get is a trade deal to reduce their dependence upon China.

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marcspector2022 t1_ja2xtl3 wrote

This is absolute crap, most Indians love the west.
Wish we could say the same about western countries.

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kiraqueen11 t1_ja3lg5y wrote

I understand why you have that perception, given you most likely have formed it by interacting with people like me, so I'll give you some context:

There's a small subsection of young and politically aware Indians who have a massive chip on their shoulder because of our colonial past and that sometimes translates to anti-west sentiments, mainly skepticism and anger over hypocritical behaviour.

That said, we are an incredibly small minority that still has a lot of appreceation for western or western derived values (appreciation for liberal democracy, free trade, individualism etc.). There's a lot of things that we admire America for (I'd wager we have a more positive opinion of the US compared to Europeans). We just want to put our country's interests first, that sometimes includes supporting morally questionable stances when it comes to geopolitics.

In summary, while there is an element of truth to what you think, it's a lot more complicated than just that.

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whingeing t1_ja1j06t wrote

You need history lessons. Take some time. Read up on 1971 and what the west’s stance on Bangladeshi genocide was and towards India trying to help them set up their independence.

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CulturalFlight6899 t1_ja23zn3 wrote

So you agree with the guy that India hates the US? I don't see the disagreement tbh

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whingeing t1_ja28tz1 wrote

Uh I don’t agree with him. I don’t think the point of that was to be pro Russia. The point of that was to not take sides and do what’s good for their country.

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CulturalFlight6899 t1_ja29pux wrote

Thats my point-- he is right Indians hate the West and you outline why.

They resent us for the actions undertaken by our great grandfathers and beyond (Cold War) and later (War on terror + Pakistan)

If we ever want Indians to be allies we have to make amends for this and offer an incentive that pulls them away from Russia

But this is very unlikely, as they love Russia and see it as more trustworthy and dependable than the US, and are very wary of relying upon the West in any way.

Its the reason why their trade is growing so fast with China. They may say they hate China, and some reddit people will say they hate both but China more, but economically India imports fucktons (billions, largest importer by far) from there and its only rising.

And due to nations past action, Soviet support and American antagonism, the relationship may be too far gone to salvage

This isn't even mentioning the military relationship India and Russia enjoy

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whingeing t1_ja2oxb1 wrote

Sounds like you have an agenda and would rather live in a bubble where you’re an expert geopolitician.

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CulturalFlight6899 t1_ja2q9yi wrote

How so? I'm not a geopolitical expert, just interested in trade and econ and geopolitics.

Not sure what bubble you mea. Am in Russian telegrams, Indian news and Hindu speaking areas, Chinese media apps, etc.

If anything, Indian media and people are even more anti West in Hindi speaking circles than English ones. Hence China being their largest trade partner

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whingeing t1_ja2sqix wrote

I really don’t think the entire the world is anti US, much less anti anyone. Yes there are problematic things in society today, but polarizing news and a percentage of people who are voicing their opinions loudly does not immediately mean it’s fact. I’ll stick to the point: I do not agree with you that india hates the US. I don’t think the US hates India. If that’s the case, we should listen to the likes of the the Republican Party who love Russia and want us to stop helping the Ukrainians. But does supplying support immediately mean we hate Russia? The US and the Europeans have been buying their oil from India who sources MOST of their oil from Iraq and some from Russia too. Does that make us pro Russia and pro Middle East? Do you see how your arguments are just meant to incite division and hatred?

Geopolitics is complicated. Our armchair opinions aren’t grounded well enough to make sweeping statements. Did you see the post about El Salvador yesterday? The news coverage was so bad and you’d think it’s the worst. But then you listen to individuals who live there and realize hey maybe the world is more complicated than we think.

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CulturalFlight6899 t1_ja23ybl wrote

If anything this only explains their comment (why Indians hate us)

Just see my other comment

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marcspector2022 t1_ja2xpnb wrote

Are you crazy or just puerile?

America is a favorite for India and most Indians, however that being said.
America is like the popular high school girl whom you can't take for granted, she will oblige you ONLY if she has no other options on hand.

Btw, the western countries were apathetic towards our terrorism related problems for the longest time, I think India is just reciprocating the whole "It's every man, woman and child for themselves" policy.

India is not happy with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it needs oil, simple and clear. It won't take the moral high ground and make the citizens suffer.

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