Submitted by batmaninwonderland t3_11aqni0 in worldnews
HubrisSnifferBot t1_j9vh9e7 wrote
Reply to comment by StarryEyedBeardog in Brazil’s Lula Intensifies Diplomatic Push for Peace in Ukraine by batmaninwonderland
Nothing Lula or Zelenskyy say will matter so long as Putin is happy throwing a 1-2,000 Russians to their death every single day. Their losses crossed over 100,000 on Dec 22. They have lost nearly 50,000 more men since that time as they desperately try to take tiny villages in the middle of nowhere. Regardless of good intentions, this war will continue until Russia can no longer field a military. At this rate they are experiencing a Vietnam’s worth of casualties every 5 months or so and picking up speed. How long until it breaks?
xenoghost1 t1_j9wogl8 wrote
well it does matter because not everyone is Putin stooge. If Lula and Zelenskiy do the song and dance of peace Putin would be cemented as unreasonable party who will call even his allies the west unless they hand him everything he wants. China's plan was a nothing burger, but Zelenskiy who initially was frustrated with it has moved into "we'll talk about". the goal is to isolate Russia rhetorically and eventually Economic. about moving the needle even in India where there is a cynical self interest about "if we play nice with Russia we'll get their stuff when they croak"
Also Vietnam happen in a free society, where the loses could be seen but the benefits of victory weren't. in Russia it is the opposite, a society of brutal repression and where the nationalists have clear goals and "benefits"- i.e. seeing those regions in the Russian landmass.
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