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Objective-War-1961 t1_ja7fclu wrote

In other words, China will be sending artillery and ammo to Russia. Carlson has a new country to root for.

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ssdd442 t1_ja7g6rs wrote

China: those artillery pieces are for Russia to collect weather data and are not for the military.....

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ErwinRRR t1_ja7ijjh wrote

As a Chinese person, I would give you guys a notification:

The Chinese government uses all the words really carefully. 'disinformation' does not mean 'refused'.

Which means: The Chinese government may provide drone, missile, barrel(for tanks) or anything else except artillery and ammo.

Or, the Chinese government means: they have provided the artillery and ammo to Russia, not in the future.

So they did not deny the intelligence, but they said the intelligence is "wrong"

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Demolisher05 t1_ja7j9rh wrote

Ok China, then prove us wrong and don't do it.

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FM-101 t1_ja7nyq1 wrote

The problem with lying all the time is that nobody believes you.

Actions have consequences.

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sxtigon t1_ja7pcew wrote

Well you better not do it!

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mwagner1385 t1_ja7x2ta wrote

Say what you want about American foreign policy... their intelligence tends not to be off (when they're not beating the war drum, a la Iraq 2002)

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cranberrydudz t1_ja80fdd wrote

Lol this is how you know china was definitely planning on sending military aid.

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vibeology1 t1_ja82ph0 wrote

Replying to mwagner1385 (#2,056,991)

We're in an economic war with china and i fully believe there's nothing that makes half of this country lose all critical thinking skills like the the mention of China.

I just don't think china is going to send weapons. It'd absolutely be silly and if they did they are risking pulling themselves into a conflict that will absolutely be kicking off a global war. I know as humans we're all kind of dumb but self-preservation and all.

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whyreadthis2035 t1_ja83vbp wrote

Disinformation Datinformation? CCP propaganda makes Fox look balanced. Who knows?

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Mongobuzz t1_ja8555a wrote

Oh okay good so they won't do it then... right? ........ right?

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nagonjin t1_ja89r2o wrote

Replying to vibeology1 (#2,058,519)

How has (for example) the global pandemic response not disavowed you of the notion that collectively we're not that committed to long-term self preservation? Especially if the elites have money to make.

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bpooqd t1_ja8cnzc wrote

Replying to vibeology1 (#2,058,519)

>We're in an economic war with china and i fully believe there's nothing that makes half of this country lose all critical thinking skills like the the mention of China.

Feels also counter productive since it feels like republicans are really hating china like a lot, but they don't really mind russia so much.

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ProShortKingAction t1_ja8d6kd wrote

Replying to bpooqd (#2,061,107)

Considering moderate estimates of how many nukes would be necessary to end the world if they hit the right spots is 100, I'm not sure why we should be all that Gung ho about feeling the force of 350.

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vibeology1 t1_ja8e3mf wrote

Replying to nagonjin (#2,060,349)

For the wealthy, their wealth is their self preservation. Their goals are just counter to everybody elses.

The people not taking the vaccine are doing it out of the sincere belief that it will do them irreparable harm. Again, self preservation. Incredibly stupid but thats on the schools and the steady stream of poor quality US news.

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vibeology1 t1_ja8f7n7 wrote

Replying to ProShortKingAction (#2,061,229)

Plans are plans. Countries plan shit out. Complete pie in the sky bat shit crazy scenarios and shit that will never happen, but when it comes to US-China relations push could never come to a conventional shove.

"Game over man, game over!"

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Lahm0123 t1_ja8gaxa wrote

She far China exports weapons to a few Asian countries.

Not sure they really want Russia on that list.

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EtadanikM t1_ja8loy5 wrote

Replying to bpooqd (#2,061,107)

Republicans are racist, and Russians are still white at the end of the day. But just as importantly, they support many of the right-wing ideologies Republicans do.

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ZubenelJanubi t1_ja8m44r wrote

If there is one thing I’ve learned over the years is that warnings from the US intelligence community are based in fact when they are published, and that China consistently lies and plays both sides of an issue to save face.

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JubalHarshaw23 t1_ja8mkmd wrote

It's likely that China is already supplying Russia through North Korea. They just are considering being "Open" about it.

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ifuckinneedcoffeenow t1_ja8rssd wrote

Replying to Deep-Mention-3875 (#2,064,546)

You think 100 nukes won’t end the world? Where the fuck do you live in la la land and how is the weather? I can’t imagine being so delusional and in denial of basic fucking reality to think that 100 nukes would not end the world as we know it. Yeah I’m sure everything would just be all hunky dory.

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ProShortKingAction t1_ja8ut3u wrote

Replying to Deep-Mention-3875 (#2,065,451)

I guess you are both correct because I was very vague in my initial comment. You are correct that for example 100 Hiroshima sized nukes if they were dropped in a desert would not end the world. However those same 100 nukes which are much smaller than what countries are capable of building today if dropped for example in heavily populated areas in Pakistan and India would cause a level of global famine that would bring every country on the planet to its knees, worse than any other famine in world history.

But even that might not be the end of the world to you, the end of the world was a pretty vague way to describe it on my part and for that I'm sorry. I meant more the collapse of everything that we currently rely on to survive. Countries falling apart, countless dead from starvation in even the wealthiest nations of the world, global trade collapsing, resource wars both regional and international, freak weather phenomenon, etc.

And that's not even considering how much more powerful modern nukes are than the one dropped on Hiroshima

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jert3 t1_ja90ers wrote

Hey pot, take it from a kettle, you're black.

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vibeology1 t1_ja90kjo wrote

Replying to Deep-Mention-3875 (#2,067,166)

Why would they acknowledge it at all then? A statement like this would only be escalating the situation by bringing it into the collective consciousness for no reason. Would it not be hush hush, like any proof whatsoever of these weapons you are thinking they are sending?

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bpooqd t1_ja92n6n wrote

Replying to ProShortKingAction (#2,065,929)

Technically we can't literally delete all of humanity even in a nuclear winter scenario, but you are correct of course.

I think in more recent times people began to be less afraid of nukes for some reason. Perhaps its just war propaganda clashing against realities, like a constant stream of "look at this terrible thing X country does!" clashing against "no we can't actually start a war with X, they have nukes".

This hatred and moral grandstanding then makes people say unhinged things like "Nukes aren't so bad / we shouldn't be afraid of them / we shouldn't nukes let us stop doing the right thing / they wouldn't actually use nukes if it comes down to it / oh their nukes are not working anyway just look at their tanks / oh we can deflect their nukes anyway / etc.".

This also reminds me a bit of the constant screams for an Iran war like 10 years or so ago, clashing with the reality of what a clusterfuck that would actually be like.

I don't know why war propaganda was so different during the cold war, there was a constant stream of "look at how horrible the soviet union is!" but there was also a constant stream of "nukes suck, like a lot, they are really really really fucking horrific, be scared of them!". And as is very apparent now, the latter was really necessary in hindsight, it might have prevented the cold war from going hot actually.

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ProShortKingAction t1_ja95pc5 wrote

Replying to bpooqd (#2,068,056)

Honestly I think a big part of the difference between Cold War propaganda and modern propaganda on the subject is simply time. A large chunk of the people who were so into the idea of conflict with Russia also remembered the day that the Newspaper showed them images of a single bomb wiping a major city off the face of the Earth. People now a days don't have that type of reference. I have a feeling if a city like Kyiv (God forbid) got obliterated by a nuke people would not be so dismissive of the idea of nukes being something to scared of

Edit: I'm just using the city of Kyiv as an example because the idea of it being nuked has regularly been in the news and dismissed as an impossibility by regular people

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alexander1701 t1_ja97u2y wrote

According to the article, the White House has confirmed that no Chinese weapons have been sent to Russia.

We should all be glad that China resents the implication that they were going to send weapons, and be mindful that Russia's disinformation network is extensive, and has a vested interest in goading China this way, to make headlines that will sound hypocritical in China.

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RogueOneisbestone t1_ja9a17g wrote

Replying to aseriousplate (#2,069,763)

Honestly, I'm loving how forthcoming the US has been recently. Yea, they've lied in the past and continue to lie. But most of the intelligence they have been releasing the last couple of years have been dead on. It's nice seeing these countries being called out, denying it, and then doing exactly what the US said they were gonna do.

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Vintageradiohead t1_ja9b3db wrote

Oh dang, they are sending it for sure. Wish they admitted it then it would never arrive.

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CherryBoard t1_ja9d9de wrote

Replying to DeeHawk (#2,056,907)

"Chinese Official Speak" is a major cultural phenomenon that has been in play as the way the Chinese communicate since forever, of which understanding is pretty key to discerning whatever the Chinese leadership is actually cooking up

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rpapafox t1_ja9e27x wrote

Well China, we welcome you to prove the U.S. wrong.

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lifesprig t1_ja9f91c wrote

Replying to Objective-War-1961 (#2,052,906)

The republicans love affair with Russia and detestation for China has always been a mindfuck for me. It’s clear that republicans support anti-democratic values and minimal human rights, so why not love both countries?

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cpt_koerg t1_ja9k18q wrote

The disinformation is that they are considering while they actually do.

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smcoolsm t1_ja9o4dm wrote

China made the same claims about the US and its forewarning that Russia would attack Ukraine, but they turned out to be wrong.

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Cold-Change5060 t1_ja9q5xu wrote

Replying to ifuckinneedcoffeenow (#2,065,154)

> You think 100 nukes won’t end the world?

Yes.

> Where the fuck do you live in la la land and how is the weather?

Ah attacking the poster and not the content. Classic shit poster.

> would not end the world as we know it.

What are you talking about? We are talking about ending the world, not 'as we know it'.

Did you reply to the correct post?

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Cold-Change5060 t1_ja9qe6o wrote

Replying to ProShortKingAction (#2,065,929)

> would cause a level of global famine that would bring every country on the planet to its knees,

No, it would not. Even 10 thousand nukes in a WW3 scenario wouldn't effect parts of South America at all.

> I meant more the collapse of everything that we currently rely on to survive.

Then why are you doubling down when that's not what you said?

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80schld t1_ja9yqrk wrote

I think the intended purpose was to put China on the Defensive so that they don’t try to do it. All the CIA did was confirm the possibility that they could… which is basically nothing.

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LooseWetCheeks t1_jaaepmv wrote

China has a more of a lucrative future with the US then Russia.

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jebediah999 t1_jaaf58e wrote

logical response would then be... "So you are in fact not considering this action?"

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TSL4me t1_jaajtiu wrote

Replying to happykittynipples (#2,068,693)

damm, that would be one hell of a way to get out of our recession. Everyone would be blaming china for the sky high costs while the government rakes in tax money and corporations can gouge us even more. Its really a perfect plan if you think about it.

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Carteeg_Struve t1_jaan4tw wrote

China: “No no. We’re uh… we’re going to invade Russia. Yeah.”

US: “Oh thank god. Carry on.”

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lurker_101 t1_jaar8gv wrote

Replying to ErwinRRR (#2,053,627)

The CCP have their own second separate language for political negotiations

.. one word could mean multiple words .. doublespeak .. ambiguity .. saying phrases which could have multiple meanings seems to be a specialty of theirs .. so a "promise" is not really anything

.. the Chinese media in Beijing still classifies NATO as "the provocateurs" and never really mention the Feb 24 invasion .. that is all you really need to know

.. the CCP could easily send Fat Kim weapons and have him send his old stuff to Putin and cover their tracks

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lurker_101 t1_jaasb7u wrote

Replying to aseriousplate (#2,069,763)

Yes .. Biden completely lied when he told us about Putin planning to invade weeks ahead of time Feb 2022 ^^^/s

.. our govt really messed up that one huh?

.. I would like to hear about the govt that "never lies" .. I will wait

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ArmChairAnalyst86 t1_jaaujoq wrote

Replying to aseriousplate (#2,069,763)

I'm going to back you up on this. Many people, including myself, are impressed with the US intelligence capabilities. Make no mistake, though. The minute it doesn't serve US interests to be forthcoming with intel, they won't be. Also, are the people coming out and saying "Well I've liked how they handled Ukraine," and also looking to other aspects of the US government? Judging the US credibility and good intent solely on Ukraine seems short-sighted.

I have one question to people. If China were to somehow put together a peace plan that would somehow end the war, completely without the US being involved, how would the US take that? What if China is able to sort of pose the west as an aggressor in the war at the same time?

I'm not hating. I'm not demanding change. I know what it is. It's about national interests and national interests alone. It's not about doing the right thing, although it's nice when the two line up, but they dont always, and I think we all get that. It's geopolitics.

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ArmChairAnalyst86 t1_jaax6vr wrote

Replying to Cold-Change5060 (#2,074,602)

10,000 nuclear warhead detonation wouldn't affect South America? You don't really believe that, do you?

I am confidently sure of one thing and one thing alone. We lack the ability to model our planet 10 years after 10,000 nuclear detonations in a short time. Esp considering they won't be of the 14 kt Hiroshima variety.

I am reasonably sure that 100 nuclear detonations on the planet would significantly alter the world as we know it, and maybe we can model the atmospheric effects, but we cannot model all of the effects, including disease, food disruption, animal disruption, weather disruption, and most importantly social economic disruption.

Also, 100 missles seems like a good hypothetical number, which is a limited exchange by all accounts, but each missle likely has between 3-10 individual warheads as well.

Honestly, the whole damn thing is just unthinkable. It's a useless thought exercise. Humans would likely survive in some capacity no matter what short of every single region being nuked, but it wouldn't be anything close to life now. OUR world would have effectively been ended, for a new, much scarier, and horrible world.

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agu-agu t1_jabahog wrote

That’s the same shit Russia said when the US warned they were about to invade Ukraine. It’s hard to trust any public statement of countries that lie prolifically.

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smp7401 t1_jabuuz6 wrote

This is probably one of those situations where actions will speak much louder than words, China…

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maminidemona t1_jac0rpm wrote

Accusing each others on its intentions without clues becomes an habit that should be prohibited in politics. It is useless and envenom relations already enough tense. Could all those leaders behave like adults i/o behave like childs in a kindergarten Please stick to facts !

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maminidemona t1_jac1o7h wrote

Replying to lifesprig (#2,071,564)

Viewed from Western Europe, the reputation of the republicans has been ruined because of Trump. And we dont understand why so many republicans feel compelled to try to be like him i/o to stay "reasonable". We believe that democrats share values with which we can adherate.

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Fleinsuppe t1_jacr8jr wrote

US: nah, we just wanted you to say what you just said so you don't consider helping them in the future.

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Deep-Mention-3875 t1_jacy0fr wrote

Replying to vibeology1 (#2,067,459)

Because US is using it as a “blackmail” of a sort to get China to back off interfering with the Ukranian situation, obviously china and russia are friends and china is looking for ways to provid additional and direct aid.

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