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Remarkable-Way4986 t1_ja06cnu wrote

Donkey skin? Now I want some donkey skin. You say to look on Amazon. Got it

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autotldr t1_ja06hc3 wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot)

> The US Center for Contemporary Equine Studies is suing Amazon for selling products containing a donkey derivative, despite efforts from advocacy groups to halt the practice.

> The lawsuit claims the e-commerce giant is illegally selling products that contain "Ejiao" - a gelatin made from the skin of donkeys and used in various products like health supplements - in violation of California animal welfare law.

> According to the Brooke USA Foundation, a group fighting against Amazon in support of donkey welfare, ejiao acts as "a hard gel that can be dissolved in hot water or alcohol to be used in food or drink, or in beauty products such as face creams." Some advocacy groups and consumers claim companies are deceptively using the substance, contributing to the slaughter and skinning of millions of donkeys a year.

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MLJ9999 t1_ja06jri wrote

Amazon needs to get off its ass and put an end to this.

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KarinOjousama69 t1_ja06tlp wrote

why do we care what California thinks

just

in general

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geophilo t1_ja0crk1 wrote

What the fuck is this world

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FastWalkingShortGuy t1_ja0eyyc wrote

I don't get why that's a big deal... did donkeys suddenly become endangered when I wasn't looking?

They're livestock. Their various parts have different commercial applications.

This is no different than any leather goods.

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rtyuuytr t1_ja0fnb7 wrote

Replying to FastWalkingShortGuy (#2,006,536)

This 1000x,

Donkey is an livestock like a cow or a pig or a chicken (or even even a dog to Korean dog farmers). Humans use every part of livestocks. But boo hoo, someone is selling products derived from donkey skin, that's a big bad no.

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nariusone t1_ja0goi1 wrote

Lol ... let's not be hypocritical here. We eat millions and millions of chickens, pigs and cows every day, and suddenly a little donkey skin is no-no?

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bowhunterb119 t1_ja0j9g4 wrote

What’s the problem? We eat chicken, beef, lamb, etc and also use products like leather, down, wool… is this some type of vegan thing? Not like they’re trading in spotted owl feathers or panda skin

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WyrdHarper t1_ja0tj1b wrote

Replying to FastWalkingShortGuy (#2,006,536)

Yes, African Wild Asses are critically endangered. Read the article; these aren’t just domestic donkeys.

The donkey hide trade is also a major route by which zoonotic infectious diseases, including Brucellosis and Leptospirosis, can be spread. There are also concerns for its ability to bring in African Horse Sickness and Burkholderia spp. diseases which would be devastating to our domestic equine species and economically damaging.

It’s also used to spread money via illegal backchannels to fund criminal organizations.

Donkey products can be used in some cases in the United States; however, because they are not considered food and fiber animals there are fewer regulations documenting medications that have been used in them, including drug residues which can kill humans.

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nbcs t1_ja0tj4n wrote

Replying to nariusone (#2,006,846)

I can respect animal rights activist if they are strict vegan, but there are so many so called activist who have no problem eating chickens, pigs and cows while protesting about other people eating other animals, ugh.

Indians worship cow and you don't see them bitching about how Western countries consume cows. First world issue at its finest.

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Grinning_Goat t1_ja0wjw2 wrote

Another lawsuit story only made possible by something being illegal in California.

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GrizzledFart t1_ja0wwym wrote

Replying to GroinShotz (#2,009,667)

Not if the product isn't made in California. There might be a particular product importation ban, but that's not animal welfare - unless California thinks it can legislate animal husbandry practices in China.

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WyrdHarper t1_ja0xkmi wrote

Replying to persfinthrowa (#2,009,590)

It talks about South Africa. The illegal donkey hide trade has been going on for years so not everything is in this specific one. This is not a new thing.

Various donkey and ass species in Africa get processed for hides and other byproducts and sold to parts of Europe or SEA (especially Thailand) due to their value in traditional medicines where the information about the source is laundered and they are sold globally.

The parent comment was quite ignorant about this well-known issue and its global public and animal health issues.

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GT1man t1_ja0z8k7 wrote

If donkeys were fucking tasty, I'd say serve them up.

People getting offended that other places use animals for this when the western world has a huge animal use/food industry seems a little hypocritical.

In the U.S. we love chicken pork and beef. I don't think we care what islam thinks of us eating pork, or india thinks about us going through cattle faster than one person could count.

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Johnaxee t1_ja0zfad wrote

Uh, guys, you know they are domestic animal and a lot of people eat them too right? I'm not saying this is nothing, but this is nothing compared to other shits that are sold worldwide.

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persfinthrowa t1_ja105g6 wrote

Replying to WyrdHarper (#2,009,931)

Okay thanks for the info. This is certainly the first most in here including myself are hearing about this issue. If you have time, I’d suggest updating your other comment with sources so people could learn more. I legitimately thought everything you said was pointed out in this article.

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Autarch_Kade t1_ja148b6 wrote

Let's keep the donkey skin trade restricted to Rimworld.

Don't need this endangered subspecies wiped out for fake medicinal junk products

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GroinShotz t1_ja164kx wrote

Replying to GrizzledFart (#2,009,802)

This is the best tl;dr I could make, The US Center for Contemporary Equine Studies is suing Amazon for selling products containing a donkey derivative, despite efforts from advocacy groups to halt the practice.

The lawsuit claims the e-commerce giant is illegally selling products that contain "Ejiao" a gelatin made from the skin of donkeys and used in various products like health supplements - in violation of California animal welfare law.**

According to the Brooke USA Foundation, a group fighting against Amazon in support of donkey welfare, ejiao acts as "a hard gel that can be dissolved in hot water or alcohol to be used in food or drink, or in beauty products such as face creams." Some advocacy groups and consumers claim companies are deceptively using the substance, contributing to the slaughter and skinning of millions of donkeys a year.

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[deleted] t1_ja177zw wrote

Who cares what animal/pet/etc it is? If it's not endangered, it should be fair game for whatever is legal.

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NormOsborne t1_ja18hkg wrote

The wild burros pictured are protected under Federal Law as part of the Free Roaming Horse and Burro act from the '70s..but really they should be regarded as feral and removed. They out-compete native species and will keep other animals from using watering sites. The young ones are cute as hell but they should all be removed from our public lands.

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joausj t1_ja1bcu0 wrote

Replying to WerewolfHowls (#2,012,434)

Oh yeah it's the Chinese equivalent of cyrstals and essential oils. Doesn't do shit, but also has the benefit of probably being sourced unethically (the donkey skin is probably the most ethically sourced, considering its a domesticated animal). You know shit like powered rhino horn, bear gallbladder... Basically the more endangered the animal is the harder it makes your dick.

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WerewolfHowls t1_ja1bday wrote

Replying to rtyuuytr (#2,006,658)

Yes but they're using the endangered African Wild Asses not the domestic ones we produce easily... But I mean go off, who even cares, right? Doesn't directly affect you. Might as well keep child labor and marriage going too as long as it isn't your family, welfare be damned, right?

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lalalibraaa t1_ja1g1fg wrote

Donkeys are some of the most gentle beings on this planet. Human beings are monsters.

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Card_Zero t1_ja1gpzh wrote

Replying to Geesemeece (#2,012,880)

I guess it's hard to use a deleted object in a garbage collected language and they were probably talking about C++, but the term deconstructor seems to be to do with unpacking tuples anyway, I think "destructor" was intended. This whole interlude is a mess. In summary, donkey skins.

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UpbeatAd1191 t1_ja1j84z wrote

I wish they would skin Jeff beoso while he is sucking cock on the moon or at the deasert golf course or whenever he normally sucks cock.

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Rent-a-guru t1_ja1sxwt wrote

Replying to Autarch_Kade (#2,011,142)

That is simply not the case. If you're taking about the African Wild Ass then they live on the other end of the continent, around Ethiopia. There is also only around 570 of them, whereas the article is talking about trade of millions of donkey skins. So this doesn't appear to have anything to do with trade in endangered animals.

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ThreeSloth t1_ja21ci6 wrote

Replying to lalalibraaa (#2,013,411)

Never go to Santorini. There are abused donkeys forced to hike people up and down stairs endlessly all day.

One that wasn't even carrying anybody got whipped in the neck for trying to stop and drink water because it was 90°

The donkey drivers there should be hanged

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teardrinker t1_ja26a34 wrote

💔I am so sorry there’s a donkey skin trade. 💔

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golemgosho t1_ja2831j wrote

Poot asses,it’s cruel what they do to them.

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Tricky-Lingonberry81 t1_ja2gpge wrote

Replying to travelinzac (#2,016,708)

Math, science, logic, and philosophy classes starting as soon as kids can learn. Specifically teaching everyone how to identify logical fallacies. Preventing socially conservative dictators and politicians of any economic or religious persuasion from committing purges of information and people. Over half of traditional Chinese medicine came to exist under Mao after he had convinced the young people to kill many of the elderly and highly educated. There were no doctors, so they made up some stuff and called it medicine and gave it a backstory that tied it to herbal remedies that were traditional.

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Bergensis t1_ja2sbz6 wrote

Replying to WerewolfHowls (#2,012,554)

> It IS endangered...they're illegally sourcing African Wild Asses.

There is nothing in the article that suggests that they are. The article mentions that South Africa is involved in the trade. The geographical range of African wild asses is on, and just north of, the Horn of Africa, thousands of kilometres away. The article mentions that millions of donkeys are slaughtered each year, while there are just a few hundred wild African Donkeys in existence.

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cannedfromreddit t1_ja2yj6d wrote

They are domestic animals. What is the big deal? What if i want an Ass skin wallet?

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___zero__cool___ t1_ja3t1sf wrote

Replying to SaltySwallows (#2,021,652)

I realize you were going for the pun joke but aren’t donkeys sterile, meaning they couldn’t viably maintain a wild population?

Edit - I’m an idiot, mules are the result of a donkey/horse cross-species impregnation.

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x4ty2 t1_ja408sp wrote

What's wrong with donkey skin vs pig, cow, deer, goat, rabbit, fox, lynx, mink, nutria, ermine, elk, bear, coyote, raccoon, alligator, croc, snake, etc?

It's all skin, and (if the whole animal is used) it's not putting more microplastics in the water.

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[deleted] t1_ja47tra wrote

Hopefully they use all parts of the animal at least.

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rawdatarams t1_ja4c6uh wrote

Replying to nariusone (#2,006,846)

Read the article. These aren't your average, domesticated versions.

It's like having tigers pushed to extinction and you sit here thinking it's no big deal, they're just your average kitty cat, right?

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nariusone t1_ja4mmw1 wrote

Replying to rawdatarams (#2,031,920)

And I quote, "According to The Pegasus Foundation, an organization advocating to ban donkey hide products, an estimated 8 to 10 million donkeys are killed and skinned each year to meet demand for ejiao."

Clearly, most of the 8 to 10M donkeys killed are not endangered. There are 40M donkeys in the world.

Just eat the non-endangered kinds, and may be captured some and domesticate them. Problem solved. And yes, it is no big deal.

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yukon-flower t1_ja4tkdu wrote

Replying to travelinzac (#2,016,708)

When science-based healthcare becomes too expensive (or onerous), people turn to quack remedies. Same with homeopathy. The placebo effect and things naturally spontaneously resolving themselves provide enough positive incentive, along with the profit motives of the purveyors. Still cheaper than going to a doctor in the United States.

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