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autotldr t1_ja06hc3 wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot)
> The US Center for Contemporary Equine Studies is suing Amazon for selling products containing a donkey derivative, despite efforts from advocacy groups to halt the practice.
> The lawsuit claims the e-commerce giant is illegally selling products that contain "Ejiao" - a gelatin made from the skin of donkeys and used in various products like health supplements - in violation of California animal welfare law.
> According to the Brooke USA Foundation, a group fighting against Amazon in support of donkey welfare, ejiao acts as "a hard gel that can be dissolved in hot water or alcohol to be used in food or drink, or in beauty products such as face creams." Some advocacy groups and consumers claim companies are deceptively using the substance, contributing to the slaughter and skinning of millions of donkeys a year.
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MLJ9999 t1_ja06jri wrote
Amazon needs to get off its ass and put an end to this.
KarinOjousama69 t1_ja06tlp wrote
why do we care what California thinks
just
in general
geophilo t1_ja0crk1 wrote
What the fuck is this world
FastWalkingShortGuy t1_ja0eyyc wrote
I don't get why that's a big deal... did donkeys suddenly become endangered when I wasn't looking?
They're livestock. Their various parts have different commercial applications.
This is no different than any leather goods.
rtyuuytr t1_ja0fnb7 wrote
This 1000x,
Donkey is an livestock like a cow or a pig or a chicken (or even even a dog to Korean dog farmers). Humans use every part of livestocks. But boo hoo, someone is selling products derived from donkey skin, that's a big bad no.
nariusone t1_ja0goi1 wrote
Lol ... let's not be hypocritical here. We eat millions and millions of chickens, pigs and cows every day, and suddenly a little donkey skin is no-no?
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_toodamnparanoid_ t1_ja0i9ym wrote
The program is calling all of its deconstructors and preparing to terminate. We're experiencing what happens after a deleted object is used as valid because it wasn't set to NULL yet.
bowhunterb119 t1_ja0j9g4 wrote
What’s the problem? We eat chicken, beef, lamb, etc and also use products like leather, down, wool… is this some type of vegan thing? Not like they’re trading in spotted owl feathers or panda skin
Card_Zero t1_ja0m0jw wrote
Ridiculous, reality isn't garbage-collected, it's written in C obviously.
dubiousadvocate t1_ja0mjo0 wrote
TurpitudeSnuggery t1_ja0mwyx wrote
TIL there is a donkey skin trade
faroseman t1_ja0mxua wrote
Thoughts and brayers.
faroseman t1_ja0n2w8 wrote
Humor. Think about it.
mosthumansrnotgreat t1_ja0o06m wrote
We shouldn't be eating any of them.
Roger_KK t1_ja0pjl5 wrote
Strong disagree bucko
Big_Deetz t1_ja0pwtp wrote
He needs to mule it over.
GrannysPartyMerkin t1_ja0qdlu wrote
Eat all the beans you want for personal reasons, but humans evolved with meat as a staple of their diet. Our biology is set up to eat meat.
BruceIsLoose t1_ja0r2oo wrote
We're not carnivores. We don't need meat just because we can utilize it well.
mosthumansrnotgreat t1_ja0r2tc wrote
Kinda wrong. And knowing we can be healthy and strong without eating meat at all makes choosing to contribute to suffering and torture, not to mention ruining our planet with factory farms, etc., is just completely wrong.
SerpentJoe t1_ja0s7uc wrote
Well if we ask the Amazon corporation they'll say "as a retailer, we want their citizens' money"
WyrdHarper t1_ja0tj1b wrote
Yes, African Wild Asses are critically endangered. Read the article; these aren’t just domestic donkeys.
The donkey hide trade is also a major route by which zoonotic infectious diseases, including Brucellosis and Leptospirosis, can be spread. There are also concerns for its ability to bring in African Horse Sickness and Burkholderia spp. diseases which would be devastating to our domestic equine species and economically damaging.
It’s also used to spread money via illegal backchannels to fund criminal organizations.
Donkey products can be used in some cases in the United States; however, because they are not considered food and fiber animals there are fewer regulations documenting medications that have been used in them, including drug residues which can kill humans.
nbcs t1_ja0tj4n wrote
I can respect animal rights activist if they are strict vegan, but there are so many so called activist who have no problem eating chickens, pigs and cows while protesting about other people eating other animals, ugh.
Indians worship cow and you don't see them bitching about how Western countries consume cows. First world issue at its finest.
persfinthrowa t1_ja0vx86 wrote
I’m not seeing anything in the article about disease or African Wild Asses?
GrannysPartyMerkin t1_ja0w5j1 wrote
It’s not. And I never said you can’t be as strong.
GroinShotz t1_ja0w9qg wrote
The only law it's violating is an animal welfare law in the state of California.
GrannysPartyMerkin t1_ja0wf9j wrote
Just because you don’t necessarily need it to live doesn’t mean it isn’t good for you.
Grinning_Goat t1_ja0wjw2 wrote
Another lawsuit story only made possible by something being illegal in California.
GrizzledFart t1_ja0wwym wrote
Not if the product isn't made in California. There might be a particular product importation ban, but that's not animal welfare - unless California thinks it can legislate animal husbandry practices in China.
BruceIsLoose t1_ja0xbxe wrote
Never said it wasn't.
WyrdHarper t1_ja0xkmi wrote
It talks about South Africa. The illegal donkey hide trade has been going on for years so not everything is in this specific one. This is not a new thing.
Various donkey and ass species in Africa get processed for hides and other byproducts and sold to parts of Europe or SEA (especially Thailand) due to their value in traditional medicines where the information about the source is laundered and they are sold globally.
The parent comment was quite ignorant about this well-known issue and its global public and animal health issues.
Western_Entertainer7 t1_ja0z0vx wrote
Damn, I just ran out of donkey skin too.
GT1man t1_ja0z8k7 wrote
If donkeys were fucking tasty, I'd say serve them up.
People getting offended that other places use animals for this when the western world has a huge animal use/food industry seems a little hypocritical.
In the U.S. we love chicken pork and beef. I don't think we care what islam thinks of us eating pork, or india thinks about us going through cattle faster than one person could count.
Johnaxee t1_ja0zfad wrote
Uh, guys, you know they are domestic animal and a lot of people eat them too right? I'm not saying this is nothing, but this is nothing compared to other shits that are sold worldwide.
ProjectFantastic1045 t1_ja103eq wrote
Garbage in garbage out.
persfinthrowa t1_ja105g6 wrote
Okay thanks for the info. This is certainly the first most in here including myself are hearing about this issue. If you have time, I’d suggest updating your other comment with sources so people could learn more. I legitimately thought everything you said was pointed out in this article.
GrannysPartyMerkin t1_ja1090p wrote
Meat is garbage? Lol
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Portalrules123 t1_ja12e6d wrote
Read the article. Why do redditors have no attention span?
Autarch_Kade t1_ja13kn3 wrote
If chickens, pigs, or cows were endangers then that'd be a problem too, yeah.
Autarch_Kade t1_ja140zv wrote
Funny you mention the spotted owl - the specific donkeys being slaughtered are much more endangered than the spotted owl.
So that's the problem.
Autarch_Kade t1_ja148b6 wrote
Let's keep the donkey skin trade restricted to Rimworld.
Don't need this endangered subspecies wiped out for fake medicinal junk products
joausj t1_ja154sq wrote
It's a traditional Chinese medicine thing if I remember correctly.
GroinShotz t1_ja164kx wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, The US Center for Contemporary Equine Studies is suing Amazon for selling products containing a donkey derivative, despite efforts from advocacy groups to halt the practice.
The lawsuit claims the e-commerce giant is illegally selling products that contain "Ejiao" a gelatin made from the skin of donkeys and used in various products like health supplements - in violation of California animal welfare law.**
According to the Brooke USA Foundation, a group fighting against Amazon in support of donkey welfare, ejiao acts as "a hard gel that can be dissolved in hot water or alcohol to be used in food or drink, or in beauty products such as face creams." Some advocacy groups and consumers claim companies are deceptively using the substance, contributing to the slaughter and skinning of millions of donkeys a year.
[deleted] t1_ja177zw wrote
Who cares what animal/pet/etc it is? If it's not endangered, it should be fair game for whatever is legal.
NormOsborne t1_ja18hkg wrote
The wild burros pictured are protected under Federal Law as part of the Free Roaming Horse and Burro act from the '70s..but really they should be regarded as feral and removed. They out-compete native species and will keep other animals from using watering sites. The young ones are cute as hell but they should all be removed from our public lands.
Used_Offer3967 t1_ja1aalg wrote
Donkeys got lawyers? Are they jackasses?
nariusone t1_ja1avzt wrote
Since donkeys are not endangered (40M+ population in the world), there shouldn't be a problem eating them then, according to your logic. Good that we clear that up.
WerewolfHowls t1_ja1azzf wrote
I mean so is tiger bones and shark fins but that still doesn't make it right to produce lol
TranscodedMusic t1_ja1b3bf wrote
African Wild Asses is one of my favorite films - it pains me that it’s now endangered 😔
joausj t1_ja1bcu0 wrote
Oh yeah it's the Chinese equivalent of cyrstals and essential oils. Doesn't do shit, but also has the benefit of probably being sourced unethically (the donkey skin is probably the most ethically sourced, considering its a domesticated animal). You know shit like powered rhino horn, bear gallbladder... Basically the more endangered the animal is the harder it makes your dick.
WerewolfHowls t1_ja1bday wrote
Yes but they're using the endangered African Wild Asses not the domestic ones we produce easily... But I mean go off, who even cares, right? Doesn't directly affect you. Might as well keep child labor and marriage going too as long as it isn't your family, welfare be damned, right?
WerewolfHowls t1_ja1boou wrote
It IS endangered...they're illegally sourcing African Wild Asses...
PlayasBum t1_ja1cskm wrote
It’s always a fucking Chinese medicine thing.
kenanthonioPLUS t1_ja1d43m wrote
It talks about South Africa not China
poshpostaldude t1_ja1d7y6 wrote
We’re trading donkey skin now???
Geesemeece t1_ja1dkkr wrote
You write the deconstructors in C
_annie_bird t1_ja1egjb wrote
There are more than one kind of donkey.
lalalibraaa t1_ja1g1fg wrote
Donkeys are some of the most gentle beings on this planet. Human beings are monsters.
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Card_Zero t1_ja1gpzh wrote
I guess it's hard to use a deleted object in a garbage collected language and they were probably talking about C++, but the term deconstructor seems to be to do with unpacking tuples anyway, I think "destructor" was intended. This whole interlude is a mess. In summary, donkey skins.
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yellekc t1_ja1h6i7 wrote
Ass fur is so hot right now.
redditEATdicks t1_ja1h8v5 wrote
I swear I saw this on a gas station sign once.
DavidBSkate t1_ja1hbwt wrote
Bear balls too. Weird shit.
DavidBSkate t1_ja1hf4k wrote
The weirdest shit. Like if if I could only eat monkey ball sack, all my problems would be solved! Wtf!?
redditEATdicks t1_ja1hk03 wrote
Nah they all went from the pole to waitressing at waffle house, they didn't die off, just moved native habitats.
Mayor__Defacto t1_ja1i1o6 wrote
There’s 570 of them. It’s way, way more efficient to just raise domesticated donkeys as livestock than poach them from the wild lol. In Central Asia you can buy one for 80 bucks a head.
Lotharofthepotatoppl t1_ja1ib8z wrote
I think this is about the African wild ass which is endangered
UpbeatAd1191 t1_ja1j84z wrote
I wish they would skin Jeff beoso while he is sucking cock on the moon or at the deasert golf course or whenever he normally sucks cock.
Jimid41 t1_ja1k38w wrote
You'd think that would be mentioned in the article.
iCCup_Spec t1_ja1kdvj wrote
Way back in the days people don't have a good grasp of nutrition; if they got lucky and got their missing micronutrients from some nutsack it'll feel like magic.
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merit33 t1_ja1qej3 wrote
And just like that, the monkey ball sack trade now exists. Thanks.
BoxedLunchable t1_ja1qq8c wrote
Great. Now where do I trade mine that I've been collecting...for science.
fighterpilotace1 t1_ja1rosa wrote
2nd door on the left
Rent-a-guru t1_ja1sxwt wrote
That is simply not the case. If you're taking about the African Wild Ass then they live on the other end of the continent, around Ethiopia. There is also only around 570 of them, whereas the article is talking about trade of millions of donkey skins. So this doesn't appear to have anything to do with trade in endangered animals.
nariusone t1_ja1wy6h wrote
Then eat the plentiful kind. Or catch the delicious kind and raise them in a factory. Treat them like pigs.
travelinzac t1_ja1xkkl wrote
Seriously how do we purge the world of this crap
Amauri14 t1_ja1yypu wrote
I have never checked that one, maybe I should give it a watch before watching Big Wet Asses 26.
GorgeousMoron t1_ja1zhpf wrote
Ew.
ThreeSloth t1_ja21ci6 wrote
Never go to Santorini. There are abused donkeys forced to hike people up and down stairs endlessly all day.
One that wasn't even carrying anybody got whipped in the neck for trying to stop and drink water because it was 90°
The donkey drivers there should be hanged
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teardrinker t1_ja26a34 wrote
💔I am so sorry there’s a donkey skin trade. 💔
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golemgosho t1_ja2831j wrote
Poot asses,it’s cruel what they do to them.
sirtet_moob t1_ja2dlaa wrote
Donkey is the international animal of the World.
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Tricky-Lingonberry81 t1_ja2gpge wrote
Math, science, logic, and philosophy classes starting as soon as kids can learn. Specifically teaching everyone how to identify logical fallacies. Preventing socially conservative dictators and politicians of any economic or religious persuasion from committing purges of information and people. Over half of traditional Chinese medicine came to exist under Mao after he had convinced the young people to kill many of the elderly and highly educated. There were no doctors, so they made up some stuff and called it medicine and gave it a backstory that tied it to herbal remedies that were traditional.
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Adventurous_Shake161 t1_ja2s0gw wrote
Leave the donkeys alone!!!! 🤬
Bergensis t1_ja2sbz6 wrote
> It IS endangered...they're illegally sourcing African Wild Asses.
There is nothing in the article that suggests that they are. The article mentions that South Africa is involved in the trade. The geographical range of African wild asses is on, and just north of, the Horn of Africa, thousands of kilometres away. The article mentions that millions of donkeys are slaughtered each year, while there are just a few hundred wild African Donkeys in existence.
SaltySwallows t1_ja2tdzg wrote
yeah and I guess they don't use domesticated Donkeys for slaughter they decimate wild Donkeys cause "fuck asses".
lalalibraaa t1_ja2vjgh wrote
Thank you for this. I won’t. When I travel and see donkeys being abused it fucks with me so hard. I can’t shake it. I want to free them all. 😭
Head-Investigator846 t1_ja2yh1g wrote
what subspecies are you talking about? Donkeys are domesticated btw they are not endangered
cannedfromreddit t1_ja2yj6d wrote
They are domestic animals. What is the big deal? What if i want an Ass skin wallet?
Head-Investigator846 t1_ja2ys9d wrote
African Wild Asses are not native to South Africa. They live on the whole other side of the African continent. the article doesn’t mention anything about the African Wild Ass.
Head-Investigator846 t1_ja2yx3k wrote
Where does the article mentioned the African Wild Ass? The African Wild Ass is not native to south africa. Not even close
Head-Investigator846 t1_ja2z0qx wrote
where does it say that stop sayin random bullshit to prove your point
PuckFutin69 t1_ja32bh0 wrote
My doctor said I should eat some monkey balls. Hard to stomach, I almost macacked them up.
Kholat_Saykhl t1_ja358td wrote
These people are just being Asses...
McCorkleJone t1_ja3agv7 wrote
Corpse munchers mad.
Mutterlover t1_ja3cji3 wrote
Ass skin for a friend
McCorkleJone t1_ja3dhvf wrote
To make it 100% clear to the virtue signaling meat eaters in this thread: this comment is about you.
fuckelonmuskthepos t1_ja3eo0o wrote
Amazon and jackass’s go hand in hand.
___zero__cool___ t1_ja3t1sf wrote
I realize you were going for the pun joke but aren’t donkeys sterile, meaning they couldn’t viably maintain a wild population?
Edit - I’m an idiot, mules are the result of a donkey/horse cross-species impregnation.
x4ty2 t1_ja408sp wrote
What's wrong with donkey skin vs pig, cow, deer, goat, rabbit, fox, lynx, mink, nutria, ermine, elk, bear, coyote, raccoon, alligator, croc, snake, etc?
It's all skin, and (if the whole animal is used) it's not putting more microplastics in the water.
[deleted] t1_ja47tra wrote
Hopefully they use all parts of the animal at least.
MonsterHunterOwl t1_ja47yk7 wrote
Stupid people use stupid medicine, hard to fix stupid
rawdatarams t1_ja4c6uh wrote
Read the article. These aren't your average, domesticated versions.
It's like having tigers pushed to extinction and you sit here thinking it's no big deal, they're just your average kitty cat, right?
FoamOfDoom t1_ja4f3sk wrote
Horse and Donkey taste similar to a cow of the same diet. Just leaner. It's pretty much just the UK and the US that revile it.
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goiabada- t1_ja4kcdb wrote
But all the artropods and small reptiles, birds and mammals dying to produce crops is alright?
nariusone t1_ja4mmw1 wrote
And I quote, "According to The Pegasus Foundation, an organization advocating to ban donkey hide products, an estimated 8 to 10 million donkeys are killed and skinned each year to meet demand for ejiao."
Clearly, most of the 8 to 10M donkeys killed are not endangered. There are 40M donkeys in the world.
Just eat the non-endangered kinds, and may be captured some and domesticate them. Problem solved. And yes, it is no big deal.
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_annie_bird t1_ja4o56m wrote
The problem is that where these products are getting sourced are where donkeys are not plentiful enough/are endangered.
SaltySwallows t1_ja4pn6y wrote
I had to look it up too. Never realized they were wild fauna, learn something new everyday...if you try.
yukon-flower t1_ja4tkdu wrote
When science-based healthcare becomes too expensive (or onerous), people turn to quack remedies. Same with homeopathy. The placebo effect and things naturally spontaneously resolving themselves provide enough positive incentive, along with the profit motives of the purveyors. Still cheaper than going to a doctor in the United States.
yukon-flower t1_ja4tyzz wrote
I’m excited about the idea of Amazon being held more responsible for the crap it peddles.
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Chose_a_usersname t1_ja6gune wrote
China loves alternative medicine ... Wait till they find out about fish tank cleaner
shoomdio t1_ja7ics1 wrote
Donkey meat is delicious. They serve it up chopped with capsicum and onions in a crispy Focaccia style roll
MenstrualCupBearer t1_ja9w6ni wrote
You boycott this shit like the vegans you hate so much for boycotting this shit.
MenstrualCupBearer t1_ja9wk3v wrote
It's the American&Co equivalent of "I need meat to live".
MenstrualCupBearer t1_ja9y2d9 wrote
Probably because India does not actually worship cows but is a top producer of cow leather instead. Money is sacred, not whatever some shit some dudes made up to get money.
Remarkable-Way4986 t1_ja06cnu wrote
Donkey skin? Now I want some donkey skin. You say to look on Amazon. Got it