Cherios_Are_My_Shit t1_iu2srbj wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in (Canada) House of Commons unanimously agrees to describe residential schools as genocide by EdithDich
not that it's much better but that's not exactly what usually happens.
it's usually more like "never again ... well, that doesn't count"
post-nazi genocides have always had some excuse: we're saving them by converting them to the true faith, it's not wiping a culture out if we only sterilize people, nobody knew that they needed water to continue farming.
saying oopsy would be like admitting guilt so countries don't do that. the canadian government doing it here is actually somewhat progressive, all things considered
Cobbertson t1_iu38nmx wrote
Why bother comparing them? Genocide happened in the past and happens to this day in various countries. All we can do is acknowledge it happened, stop it when it's going on, and try to prevent it from happening again. People do twisted shit, and good people have to find out and do whatever is needed at any given moment to promote fairness and inclusivity whenever possible
Cherios_Are_My_Shit t1_iu49dhq wrote
>Why bother comparing them?
because "those who don't learn about history are doomed to repeat it" and comparing them is our moral obligation.
>All we can do is acknowledge it happened, stop it when it's going on, and try to prevent it from happening again.
comparing and contrasting is step one. you can't do any of that other stuff if the average person doesn't even really understand what "it" even is.
not gonna sugarcoat it, either i missed the point of your comment or it was a really dumb thing to say. i read it like saying, "what's the point in exercising and dieting? all we can do is try to be in the best shape we can and live a healthy life." i feel like you asked why we should do something and then listed the reasons we should do it.
Redbanabandana t1_iu4pz6u wrote
Residential schools: up to around 4,100 deaths over 120 years with most happening before 1950's and mostly from things like lack of care, disease outbreaks (typhoid and tuberculosis) and fires. This represents about 5% of the people that attended the residential schools. The intent of those schools were to assimilate the children into western culture (presumably alive).
Holocaust: 6 million deaths over 4 years by systematic mass murders through nerve gas, combustion chambers and executions. The intent was to kill all Jews. Up to two thirds of the entire Europeen population of Jews were murdered.
People downvoting facts they don't like, lol
xyon21 t1_iu4sb07 wrote
Cultural genocide is still genocide. The schools were not meant to physically eradicate first nations people, but they were explicitly created and operated with the intent of eradicating first nations peoples as a cultural group.
Redbanabandana t1_iu4tp7a wrote
> Cultural genocide is still genocide
By name, not by definition
Cherios_Are_My_Shit t1_iu5890f wrote
>The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.
destruction of language or literature, banning of clothing or foods, rules against public congregation have all been ruled genocide by the UN.
saying cultural genocide isn't genocide is like saying oral rape isn't rape
Redbanabandana t1_iu5kcaz wrote
Putting cultural genocide on the same level as genocide is like saying an unwanted kiss on the cheek is the same as being forcibly penetrated by a chainsaw
>The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.
The bolded part is pretty important.
>destruction of language or literature, banning of clothing or foods, rules against public congregation have all been ruled genocide by the UN.
Oh, like during the pandemic? TIL I was genocided according to the UN
BTW, the convention linked in the article makes no mention of cultural genocide or what that could mean so...
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Culverin t1_iu46stq wrote
The oopsie comes with liability.
Legally and financially. Good on the Canadian government.
Immigrant taxpayers will pay for this, I can accept that.
My family was not involved in causing this. But, it's part of being Canadian and the heritage of this country. We benefit from living in Canada and we should pay our due.
What about the Catholic Church? They're going to get a free pass on this aren't they? Because if they capitulate here, they set a precedent around the would, and that is very bad for them cause they don't exactly have clean hands.
GlitteringHighway t1_iu5wgts wrote
That’s a good point. It’s be nice to give credit where credit is do.
braedizzle t1_iu498vt wrote
And a big piece to consider is no one currently in HoC would have been around to approve residential schools when they started. This is a different generation coming to terms and declaring that genocide happened at the hands of their predecessors
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