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die_a_third_death t1_j1yxujx wrote

Reply to comment by TRIBETWELVE in Russia's only LGBTQ+ museum closes down amid 'propaganda' crackdown by BeeBobMC

Yup. It really set LGBT rights in Germany back several decades.

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ThereIsNoGame t1_j1yzrb0 wrote

There's this permanent fixture now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_to_Homosexuals_Persecuted_Under_Nazism

I think this, right in the middle of Berlin, is fitting and appropriate.

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Creepy-Explanation91 t1_j1zuvg1 wrote

It’s a giant concrete cube with a tiny screen of two dudes kissing inside? Not a very creative or artistic design is it? Wouldn’t a big statue of two guys kissing both send a better message and be more artistically pleasing? Is there a specific reason for it being just a giant cube? It’s a very important monument since gay men were heavily persecuted by the Nazis but the article doesn’t give much information and I have a-lot of questions about why the design was chosen.

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ThereIsNoGame t1_j1zz0nb wrote

I'm not an art critic, but my understanding this is in parallel with the memorial to the murdered jews of europe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_to_the_Murdered_Jews_of_Europe

As the maze of blocks represents the fear, confusion and directionlessness of the jews in that dark time, so too does the concrete cube, and it's unassuming exterior, represents the way the gender diverse had to hide their identity, remain closeted, to avoid persecution. Only by getting close, can you see who they really were.

Art is most powerful when it's subtle. Art should not tell a story to the audience, but instead guide the audience in the direction of the conclusions they should make. It's not there to answer questions, but ask questions and challenge the audience to understand the answers.

Why have Mount Rushmore when you could just put up a big sign that says "Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt and Lincoln were all good presidents."?

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burgermiester288 t1_j20nbdi wrote

It's meant to reflect how queer men had to hide their love. Like your coming across something you shouldn't see.

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apple_kicks t1_j1yywni wrote

In some cases esp in nazi occupied areas that previously saw more of a strong lgbt scene (Paris and Amsterdam) took til 60s or 2010s to get rights back on track

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MBH1800 t1_j20nqu5 wrote

Worst thing I read about the holocaust was that when the camps were liberated, most inmates still alive were released and sent to hospital care - except the homosexuals, who were transferred to prisons to serve out their "sentence". It was still illegal under the new government as well.

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Johannes_P t1_j20wo0e wrote

Moreover, the time spent in KZ wasn't treated as prison, meaning they were kept even longer than their initial sentence.

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MBH1800 t1_j2146r1 wrote

Jesus Fucking Christ, that's horrible.

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Johannes_P t1_j20wk4l wrote

Yep, the Nazi era aggravation of the paragraph 175 was retained after 1945 and until the end.

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chatte__lunatique t1_j21s69h wrote

Not just in Germany, across the world. Hirschfeld's work was groundbreaking, and the loss of his research and treatment documentation was so devastating to queer and especially trans healthcare, that it's not an exaggeration to compare it to the loss of the Library of Alexandria.

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