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Miraclefish t1_j1vbzfr wrote

Reply to comment by puroloco in Ukraine lessens projected GDP fall from 50% to 32% by sviterochec

They don't really need or want tanks, though. For the kind of fighting that's happening in Ukraine, they're mostly death traps.

What's more, US-built tanks aren't usable, they would need months to years of training and infrastructure for maintenance and servicing.

Besides, Russia has abandoned far more empty tanks than Ukraine has lost and they're Soviet models that Ukraine utilises anyway.

What they really need is longer range artillery and rockets, anti air defence systems and so on, which is what they're being given.

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Successful_Prior_267 t1_j1vmv2j wrote

They are literally begging for tanks lmao

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LAVATORR t1_j1vnujv wrote

Yeah, they also beg for fighter jets, but whether or not they're an optimal use of resources is a whole other question.

Way too many people think this is Civilization and you can just teleport in advanced tech for a quick and easy win. Real life is much more complicated.

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Miraclefish t1_j1vwkke wrote

Yes, compatible ones that their armed forces are trained to operate and they have supply lines and servicing capability for.

That is categorically not NATO ones, but T- model tanks from other Eastern Bloc nations.

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Roflcopter_Rego t1_j1vr9fp wrote

> They don't really need or want tanks, though. For the kind of fighting that's happening in Ukraine, they're mostly death traps.

This is honestly a bunch of crap. I'd be interested to know what has made you formulate this idea.

The way Russia used tanks for the first 3 months - YOLOing down highways with no intel or infantry - is obviously massively wasteful and not what Ukraine should be doing. Using tanks the way Russia is now, by hardening or attacking trench formations, is very useful.

Ukraine want tanks, and having tanks would reduce casualties. You're right it's not top of the list, or even second or third (artillery is top of the list, missiles are second, AA is third) but it is certainly on the list.

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Miraclefish t1_j1vwf7k wrote

Western tanks are of absolutely no use to them for countless logistical reasons, which is why they aren't being requested or offered by NATO nations.

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Roflcopter_Rego t1_j1vwrov wrote

> For the kind of fighting that's happening in Ukraine, they're mostly death traps.

So this is untrue, yes?

The "correct" reason is in fact:

>Western tanks are of absolutely no use to them for countless logistical reasons

Do you want to edit your original post to clarify or...?

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Miraclefish t1_j1vwwfi wrote

No, both are true and aren't mutually exclusive. Thanks for playing, bye.

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Roflcopter_Rego t1_j1vx9ye wrote

Usually I'd blow it off, but honestly that rhetoric is dangerous if it becomes a common consensus. Please stop spreading unsourced misinformation, especially when you know the actual and correctly sourced information and post that also.

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