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[deleted] t1_j6jbjh2 wrote
Whenever Israel gets attacked they always pretend they have no idea why it happened. Terrorism is always wrong and evil, but explaining why it happens is not the same as excusing it. If they stopped stealing Palestinian land by settling the west bank it would lower tensions in the region.
GiantAxon t1_j6jd41z wrote
Did exiting Gaza and giving it over to the Palestinians in 2005, a full two years before the wall went up, help lower tensions?
The Israelis remember those two years. Constant explosions everywhere. On busses, in cafes, malls, and schools. They removed the settlers, withdrew the army, and gave the people of Gaza exactly what you're suggesting, but tensions increased, not the other way around.
The only way you believe tensions decrease is if you either don't remember 2005-2007, or if you somehow believe that an organization that doesn't recognize Israel and has a charter dedicated to freeing the land from the river to the sea is somehow going to change its MO because you feel like they should. Same goes for the Islamic jihad or the other small offshoots.
I doubt the people of Israel will ever fall for that again, much as we might want them to.
3dio t1_j6jdcbn wrote
And thus by uttering the magic words calmness had spread in the region
[deleted] t1_j6jdj6z wrote
Israel treats Gaza like an open air prison, preventing them from trading or using the sea for commerce. And if one idiot fires a scud missle over the wall Israel responds with disproportionate bombing raids that destroy entire neighborhoods.
It's not hard to see why people living in the Gaza strip hate Israel.
YairJ t1_j6jehpr wrote
Gaza exports food and other products. Gazans regularly leave. The bombings are much more focused than that(edit: and are indeed disproportionate, since they were not enough to remove the threat). And the hate predates all of this.
autotldr t1_j6jf69e wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot)
> US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has called for Israel and the Palestinians to take "Urgent steps" to restore calm amid escalating violence.
> Mr Blinken said the US had "An enduring goal of Palestinians and Israelis enjoying equal measures of freedom, security, opportunity, justice and dignity", which he said could best be achieved by "Realising the vision of two states" - an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel.
> "That's why we're urging all sides now to take urgent steps to restore calm, to de-escalate - we want to make sure there's an environment in which we can... at some point create the conditions where we can start to restore a sense of security for Israelis and Palestinians alike."
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Palestinian^#1 Israeli^#2 State^#3 Blinken^#4 security^#5
autotldr t1_j6jots2 wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot)
> US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has called for Israel and the Palestinians to take "Urgent steps" to restore calm amid escalating violence.
> Mr Blinken said the US had "An enduring goal of Palestinians and Israelis enjoying equal measures of freedom, security, opportunity, justice and dignity", which he said could best be achieved by "Realising the vision of two states" - an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel.
> "That's why we're urging all sides now to take urgent steps to restore calm, to de-escalate - we want to make sure there's an environment in which we can... at some point create the conditions where we can start to restore a sense of security for Israelis and Palestinians alike."
Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Palestinian^#1 Israeli^#2 State^#3 Blinken^#4 security^#5
nahalyarkon t1_j6jrk0z wrote
And how does Gaza treat Israel? The jihadist terrorist groups that rule Gaza launch 1000s of rockets at israeli cities and towns hoping to kill as many israelis as they can.
[deleted] t1_j6juyjw wrote
It's important to ask why people in Gaza hate Israel. The hate doesn't come out of nowhere. Disproportionate retaliatory bombing by Israel only creates more terrorists. If Israel treated the people in Gaza as human beings and provided social programs and support instead of treating them as prisoners they would receive a different response.
omega3111 t1_j6jvcct wrote
> Israel treats Gaza like an open air prison
Not only wrong, but also impossible because Egypt has a border with Gaza. Israel can't keep anyone inside. It also doesn't do it regardless.
[deleted] t1_j6jvm5s wrote
>The Palestinian Authority is against the plan, threatening any Palestinian who takes advantage of Ramon Airport. Their stated reason? Because they insist they should have their own airports.
So Israel wants to build an airport that acts as a security checkpoint to monitor Palestinian's travel and you wonder why Palestinians are opposed to it? Seriously?
nahalyarkon t1_j6jw8bj wrote
The hate comes from anitsemitism. The Hamas Charter calls for the extermination of every israeli jew, and new plans include the enslavement of any of the rest that can be exploited by force.
Hamas Charter: A Covenant for Israel's Destruction
Hamas: Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (August 18, 1988)
[deleted] t1_j6jwa9l wrote
It takes 3 seconds of googling to refute your claim.
[deleted] t1_j6jwj8d wrote
The hate comes from Israel stealing Palestinian land.
Responsible_Pizza945 t1_j6jwnor wrote
Pulling settlers off the west bank is the difference between a random guy in Gaza seeing someone with an RPG telling the authorities or ignoring it.
nahalyarkon t1_j6jwxit wrote
No, the violence and hatred started long before Israel even declared independence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
YairJ t1_j6jx0wy wrote
The airport was built a few years ago. The plan would simply give Palestinians a way to travel they didn't have before. And your excuse is even more lame than their dictator's.
All airports are security checkpoints, much of that prompted by Palestinians' pioneering work in aircraft hijacking.
omega3111 t1_j6jxfhy wrote
But in 3 seconds you can't read that page to see that it refutes your claim.
[deleted] t1_j6jxifv wrote
It doesn't refute my claim.
[deleted] t1_j6jxlyn wrote
Not all airports are monitored by Israeli security forces trying to control Palestinians. They wanting their own airports is completely understandable.
YairJ t1_j6jyq8x wrote
Irrelevant. Restricting their travel isn't going to get them closer to that, easing their travel isn't going to get them farther from that. But as that article demonstrates, nobody cares less about Palestinians than Pro-Palestinians.
IsraeliDonut t1_j6khh5l wrote
So these terrorists are mad about land so they attack innocent civilians? Sounds logical
IsraeliDonut t1_j6khkoq wrote
So Israel should keep it proportional? Is that for all countries or only the Jewish one?
IsraeliDonut t1_j6khmt9 wrote
Have you been to Gaza? Where are you getting this information?
IsraeliDonut t1_j6khny0 wrote
What land is being stolen?
IsraeliDonut t1_j6khptt wrote
Do you know what a prison is?
adarkuccio t1_j6libvh wrote
No one ever calmed down after being told to calm down, quite the opposite, "calm down" is usually a prelude to a brawl!
GiantAxon t1_j6lnda4 wrote
More empty buzzwords. In what prison can you store thousands of rockets under hospitals and schools and use them at a whim against civilians when your Iranian overlords tell you to?
Look at you acting like they lob one scud over. First of all, scuds are the wrong class of missile. You overshot on that one. But they fire thousands of them, so you massively undershot on the number. In fact, your mode of reasoning is a lot like those Palestinian rockets - absolute fucking trash that is as likely to hurt your people as it is to hurt the enemy. But we know that won't stop you or Hamas, right?
HiHoJufro t1_j6ogseh wrote
What part of the claim is refuted by this?
Reselects420 t1_j6jbifg wrote
> Mr Blinken reiterated US support for a two-state solution as "the best way" to bring security to the two sides.