Do you think something like this https://www.homedepot.com/p/Far-North-International-6-ft-x-50-ft-14-Gauge-Galvanized-Welded-Wire-with-2-in-x-4-in-Mesh-Size-W14725024/316476532 would work well and support cucumbers or other vining plants if I used it as an arch?

This makes sense, it really does. I also think Valjean wasn't aware Javert had committed suicide at that point, just that for some reason he let him go. He could have really still believed he was a threat to her way of life.

I didn't even think to just listen to it! I see it's on spotify and will check it out, thanks!

Haha, my apologies. I suggest you don't look at r/lesmis

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Reminds me of when I went to check it out from the library, I asked "Do you have Les Misérables unabridged here?" in my American accent (we are both in and from America). She retorted, "oh, you mean, LECH MICHZZERABLEHHH??" .. yes, I think we both know I did...

I haven't seen the Broadway one, I will have to check it out, but I highly recommend the book hehe.

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I watched the 2012 movie with Hugh Jackman, and it felt so so so fast to me. Hundreds of pages and arcs condensed into 2 minutes of scene time hurt my heart. It also completely missed a side of JV in the book. In the book he has this deep, dark, terrifying, and threatening persona he brings out when needed. The movie has a fight scene with Javert where JV runs away, in the book he just straight up terrifies Javert.

I am so glad I posted here. I am really enjoying the discussion. You make some very good insights too!

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for #5, I am just referring to how JV had his own place at Marius and Cosette's house that Marius had agreed to allow him to visit each afternoon. Instead of ever talking to JV however, Marius has JV's furniture slowly moved out of the room. He makes sure the fire isn't lit anymore either. It was just so freaking passive-aggressive

Your comment just made me cringe more when I think back about him getting ready to blow himself and everyone up. There were definitely some dark motivations in there.

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Man this book is good.

> Even when he lies to Cosette, he is only trying to protect her.

Hmm perhaps he believed since now that she married Cosette, he didn't need to protect her, so he didn't lie about his identity anymore?

I suppose this makes sense. It's not the "right" thing, but it makes sense in his mind it is. He truly believed he wasn't wanted anymore, and so he left. He just went too far on the self-denial route, but that's quite in character for him

Whenever I post on Reddit I get such anxiety I am going to say something wrong and come back to comments calling me an asshole ^^;

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Your comment makes me happy :)

Oh sorry, I should have been more clear! I completely understand the part you are referring to. I absolutely loved (maybe loved is the wrong word, but I couldn't put the put down!) reading his internal struggle in his dark room over this. I haven't seen the Broadway cast yet, just watched the 2012 movie and it felt like everything went so quick haha.

I am referring to the end portion. Maybe my sense of time was off, but basically it seemed like Jean Valjean didn't want to keep being Fauchelevent (spelling?) even though it was a perfect identity. So instead he confessed who he was to Marius and moved away until his sadness brought him to death's door. I just don't completely understand the consistency in logic

That's true! Fantine was pretty dang tragic as well. Right before I posted this I actually watched the movie with Hugh Jackman and was frustrated with how on the nose Eponine's love for Marius was. The book did such a good job making the reader question her motivations and come to the conclusion themselves that she is in love with Marius.

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I should have added Eponine's death to Marius' "little bitch section" because, if I'm remembering right, despite Eponine dying, Marius doesn't even hear her confess her love to him while she's bleeding out from sacrificing herself for him. He's too focused on Cosette's letter. Damn, you are right, that is truly tragic