HockeyMusings

HockeyMusings t1_j8g32br wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Ohio toxic air in DMV? by ghostofhogan

Where’s the report that said they were saying the air was safe at Ground Zero?

They weren’t. They said the air at Ground Zero was dangerous and respirators should be worn. That was disregarded or poorly addressed by NYC and FDNY brass who had jurisdiction.

Since you haven’t provided a single link, here’s another for you for ProPublica ripping the EPA for telling the community the air was safe but: > Officials seemed to be sending two distinct messages: telling office workers and residents the air was safe, while repeatedly warning first responders and crews working right on the debris pile to wear protective gear. Those conflicting assurances and warnings given by federal officials left workers and residents unsure what steps to take to protect themselves.

OSHA and NYOSH failed the FDNY there. Not the EPA.

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HockeyMusings t1_j8fxrlb wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Ohio toxic air in DMV? by ghostofhogan

See. That’s the thing. You’re conflating things. The EPA was explicit that the air at Groud Zero, specifically, the “pile”, was unsafe and that respirators should be worn. It was NYC that had jurisdiction in that regard.

The surrounding neighborhoods, yeah, maybe they didn’t have enough data to say the air was safe when they did. But even the majority of those people disregarded the instructions they were given for decontaminating indoor areas.

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HockeyMusings t1_j8fcrvb wrote

Reply to comment by EC_dwtn in Ohio toxic air in DMV? by ghostofhogan

You were being vague, maybe unintentionally, when you say that EPA stated air near Ground Zero was safe and you didn’t say anything about a lack of proper evidence.

Regardless, that was 20 years ago.

Did you look at the extensive information they have posted to the site I linked regarding the current event?

Don’t get me wrong. I have no doubt that immediate area is a pollutant shitshow. And we will probably learn that while getting exposed to chemicals X, Y, or Z at certain levels isn’t going to kill you, getting exposed to the XYZ cocktail at the dose the poor people who live next to the tracks won’t be so good.

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HockeyMusings t1_j8epzh9 wrote

The fire ended a week ago. It has come and gone.

The amount of chemical exposure isn’t even a blip relative to the background deluge we willingly and/or unknowingly expose ourselves on a daily basis.

Even at that, our risk decreases exponentially with our distance from the site.

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HockeyMusings t1_j8eo9um wrote

https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933

> February 7, 2023 Update

>During Norfolk Southern’s controlled burn yesterday of rail cars containing vinyl chloride, U.S. EPA air monitoring detected particulate matter resulting from the fire. U.S. EPA air monitoring did not detect chemical contaminants of concern in the hours following the controlled burn.

>Residents in the area and tens of miles away may smell odors coming from the site. This is because the byproducts of the controlled burn have a low odor threshold. This means people may smell these contaminants at levels much lower than what is considered hazardous.

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HockeyMusings t1_j5pgw5x wrote

Hey, we are talking about reasons to boot cars here. That a certain amount of unpaid tickets, 4 as suggested by the post I am responding to) is enough to lock up someone’s car.

All I’m saying is that payment vs non-payment shouldn’t factor into the decision to deny someone access to their car.

If you want to boot a car for four hydrant tickets, fine. But boot all the cars that get four hydrant tickets. Not just the ones that don’t pay.

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HockeyMusings t1_j5m1ftv wrote

Twenty “honest mistakes” 🤣

You set the threshold at a number. Otherwise booting someone with four unpaid tickets versus not booting someone for ten paid tickets is just spanking them for being poor.

You get four PAID speed camera tickets in a year? Your car is subject to being towed and impounded for a week if a Reddit warrior looks up your license and reports your location. You can come get your car for free after its penalty has been served.

It’d slow people the fuck down for sure; well to do and poor alike.

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HockeyMusings t1_j5lx8yq wrote

> Because there’s a difference between delinquency and ADHD.

Not as far as the impact goes. Four violations is four inconveniences to every law abiding citizen, paid or not. Hell, twenty paid tickets in the same time frame is far worse than four unpaid, wouldn’t you say?

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HockeyMusings t1_j5lrhib wrote

Why only boot for unpaid tickets? Should being able to afford it be carte blanche to do whatever the fuck you want?

Get four tickets in a rolling two-year period (paid or not) lose your privilege for a week. Get two more, a month.

The impact of illegal parking is the same. People won’t be so quick to gamble at the meter or the margins of the posted times, that’s for damn sure.

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HockeyMusings t1_j50e92d wrote

I encounter derelict cars in the woods all over the DMV (and in national parks even elsewhere FWIW). Granted, most of them (but not all) are much older.

They are all pretty well picked over. And in various states of going back to nature.

This is much ado about nothing. Though if any snivelers out there want to take matters into their own hands, The Man in Black has some advice.

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