You think all jobs generate income?

Nurses? Teachers? Police? Firefighters?

I don’t know.

But it exists

Where did someone say that?

Be that as it may, the gender pay gap exists and presents far more interesting questions than any discussions about some hypothetical individual’s victim narrative

And I think you’re right to call out victim narratives, but I think everyone should be a bit careful of slipping into one. I think some people fall into this trap by inferring accusations that aren’t there in this discussion

> Oh I think we agree on the fact that women preffered professions are paid less, even though not intentionally and that can be a meaning of these words.

That is literally the meaning of those words. Anything else is just a failure to understand what the term was even referring to.

Indeed. And, believe it or not, there are quite a few people who are not entirely convinced that that is the optimal situation for society or the economy, especially given the extremely high non-monetary value of these jobs.

Accused of what?

> Whose fault is it

It’s no one’s fault. It’s a phenomenon in society that we now find ourselves with many thousands of years into our journey through civilisation. To observe it and discuss it, and wonder about whether and how it provides us with an optimal situation individually, for the community, or for the economy, is not really something you need to see as a source of conflict or a personal attack.

You clearly can see that the gender pay gap is there. You just described it. You can discuss what it is, means or doesn’t mean without immaturely just declaring it doesn’t exist or that it’s some affront.

That’s the gender pay gap you just described.

I can’t help but feel like you still have a pretty basic misunderstanding of what the words “gender pay gap” describe.

An evil overlord is not really part of it.

It’s interesting that you chose social worker as an example. The gender pay gap has always been observed in bureaucratic jobs that are among the many, many critical functions in society that aren’t measured on income generating ability.

> Well its sad but it is econnomically impossible (unless you are rooting for communism) to pay a person who helps generate huge profits such as IT specialist or financial analyst the same wage as to someone who is a social services worker.

And don’t you think it’s remarkable that all over the world it’s the female dominated gigs that we just can’t seem to justify paying more for. Can’t possibly pay the nurses more even in the midst of a labour shortage … but the IT guy needs a competitive package without question. Isn’t it weird that that situation always seems to replicate along gender lines all over the world?

Forget the justice off it or any ideas about changing it, don’t you just find that phenomenon interesting? One hell of a coincidence, right?

> The truth is though, that almost all pay gap is due to different carreer prefferences between the genders

Why are critical industries dominated by women paid less on average in the majority of circumstances though?

I don’t see how that relates to this.

The undervaluing of professions dominated by women that are critical to society has knock on effects.

Perhaps we need to value nurses and teachers, and many other female dominated professions, more highly.

I worry moving all the teachers and nurses into trades will have some knock on effects that might not be so great for the economy in the long run.

Gender pay gap doesn’t necessarily mean for the same work. It can include that sometimes but that’s not what it means

No one said anything about the same work. If you’ve understood it that way then I think it is fair to say that you haven’t actually understood the concept, isn’t it?

The question is usually about why female dominated industries, despite being absolutely critical to society, tend to have less monetary value attached to them. Examples of such skilled work are frontline medicine and education; critical yet undervalued compared to say, plumbers and bricklayers, which are male dominated skilled professions that attract very good wages

Correct. Having children and caring for them is another part of why there is a pay gap.

Yeah, there seem to be a few wider than the US

ITT: Guys claiming the gender pay gap doesn’t exist and then describing exactly what the gender pay gap is and how it exists in the exact form they’re denying

You just don’t understand the concept, it seems

“Underpaid” is not what anyone is talking about. They’re discussing the social phenomenon that sees jobs dominated by women earning less than men occurring right across the planet, and the various social implications of it.

It’s weird that you guys feel victimised by this discussion

Congratulations. You just described exactly what everyone means when they say “gender pay gap”.

What you just said, that’s what the gender pay gap is. So…. Not really a myth, eh?

Apparently not

Some impetus for human writers to stop rehashing and do better too I hope

Determinism is junk.

Decisions and emotions exist, and it’s art’s ability to evoke and reflect them both that makes it interesting.

Being shaped by experience is different to being a slave to them.