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dust1990 OP t1_jclxwio wrote

OP here, just posting the data as I thought it was interesting. The current fare of $2.75 has been in place for nearly 8 years, which is the third longest stretch. The initial fare of $0.05 was in place for over 44 years and there was a 13 year stretch in the 50s and 60s with a $0.15 fare.

Source: CPI-U, 1913 to 2023

Source: Inflation, 1904 to 1912

Source: Subway Fares

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ottprim t1_jcmc78v wrote

The $0.05 was a political thing. Every mayor ran with the promise to keep that fare. It was the cause of the three systems going bankrupt leaving the running of the subway to the city.

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sutisuc t1_jcmx65e wrote

Weren’t all the subway lines privately run at that point?

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ottprim t1_jcmxywg wrote

Yes. The BMT, IRT, and IND were companies. Some had buses too, but the city legislated the fare the could charge.

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Sun_Devilish t1_jcnn80l wrote

> the city legislated the fare the could charge.

/facepalm

No wonder they went out of business.

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Past-Passenger9129 t1_jcowst0 wrote

To be fair, look at the crazy curve of the cost relative to today's dollar over that 40+ year span. The economy was anything but stable.

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sutisuc t1_jcmy84h wrote

Wow. Can’t even fathom the city trying to dictate what a private company could charge today. Thanks for sharing

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funforyourlife t1_jcn12bt wrote

Utility companies literally have their rates set by the government

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bayoublue t1_jcnruvj wrote

The city payed for the construction of the subway lines and owned them. The private operators had operating agreements to run them.

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Powerful-Attorney-26 t1_jcrtu3p wrote

The city had paid for the construction and let the private companies make the profits. The actual tracks and stations have always been owned by the city. Massive corporate welfare. And indeed the owners of the private companies make a fortune early in the subways' existence. First of all the seems were profitable themselves for about the first ten years, and the owners were able to engage in massive amounts of land speculation because they knew where the lines and stations were going to be put.

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IIAOPSW t1_jcnjfd2 wrote

This is almost true. It was a political thing, but mayors didn't run on it. Rather, the 5 cent fare was a stipulation in the dual contracts the city had with the IRT and BMT to build and operate the subway. These companies couldn't legally raise their fares.

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anonyuser415 t1_jcnodxi wrote

You have the arrangement right, but the person you're replying to had it right too. It was a massive issue after post-WWI inflation. Reading the wording of the contracts I don't really get it. The contracts say the fare will be a nickle until 1966. But there it is:

> Well before [the price increased to a dime in 1948] the issue of whether to increase the fare had challenged many mayors, become the subject of campaign promises and provoked fierce clashes with powerful interest groups.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/12/nyregion/mta-fare-hike.html

> Mayor John Hylan, who took office in 1918, made the nickel fare a linchpin of his administration and a cudgel he used against the IRT and BRT. The city’s insistence on retaining the nickel fare became a political hot potato that affected every mayor from Hylan to William O’Dwyer, who took office in 1946. During O’Dwyer’s first term, the historic nickel barrier was finally breached, but not before years of contentious, vociferous, and often bitter debates about the merits and problems of charging five cents for a ride that could be twenty miles long from Wakefield in the Bronx to East New York in Brooklyn.

https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9780823261925-009/html

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ManhattanRailfan t1_jcm42jh wrote

To caveat, however, there have been several times when there has been a bonus on the fare. Up until a couple years ago, you used to get an extra 5% when you put money on your metrocard, so the fare has essentially gone up more recently than that. The cost of unlimited metrocards and MNR/LIRR fares also increased.

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dust1990 OP t1_jcm5d6v wrote

True this doesn’t factor the bonus which recently went away. This plots the base fare only. Do you know where I might find info on the bonus history? Regardless I doubt it would make much difference.

Edit: thanks everyone. I’ll try to add this to see if it makes a material difference.

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colonelcasey22 t1_jcm8t8f wrote

Looks like the history of the MetroCard bonuses of it can be extracted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroCard

Doubt it's ever coming back with OMNY in effect and fewer people pre-loading amounts to a card.

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Pennwisedom t1_jcnn150 wrote

> ewer people pre-loading amounts to a card.

It's a chicken and the egg problem in this case really. I stopped pre-loading my card because the bonus went away.

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WikiSummarizerBot t1_jcm8uuf wrote

MetroCard

>The MetroCard is a magnetic stripe card used for fare payment on transportation in the New York City area. It is a payment method for the New York City Subway (including the Staten Island Railway), New York City Transit buses and MTA buses. The MetroCard is also accepted by several partner agencies: Nassau Inter-County Express (NICE), the PATH train system, the Roosevelt Island Tramway, AirTrain JFK, and Westchester County's Bee-Line Bus System. The MetroCard was introduced in 1993 to enhance the technology of the transit system and eliminate the burden of carrying and collecting tokens.

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doodle77 t1_jcprlar wrote

Also the unlimited MetroCard.

The MTA reports the average fare paid per ride in it's annual reports. In 2019 it was $2.10, and it increased significantly in the pandemic as commutation ridership dropped.

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mowotlarx t1_jcosuop wrote

I miss the bonus.

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glazor t1_jcougiz wrote

Use cash app. You get a dollar bonus every 6 hours.

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mowotlarx t1_jcoz5iv wrote

I have a commuter card from work, like many workers in this city. Can't use Cash App. Can't even use mobile pay.

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PatrickMaloney1 t1_jcok4vs wrote

OP, if you get bored, I’d love to see another line showing overall ridership during the same period, but this is already great as it is so no pressure

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