Sadoksad

Sadoksad t1_j2denk6 wrote

I didn't need you to explain market cap but thanks for the effort, I'm sure it will helpful to someone. The reason I asked you was because I wanted to know your opinion or your angle on the buy back of apple, that is the same angle I took when I wrote the other downvoted comment.

>This will mean a larger cut of future profits in the form of dividends and greater growth potential in the price of the stock, as future valuations will divide the market cap by 3 instead of 4.

The reasoning I used was, Apple isn't a growing company. Its well mature. I don't think we'll be seeing larger future profits in the form of dividends or greater growth potential. I mean with their product range ever increasing in price, I can't imagine they'd be breaking their sales record any time soon. I personally don't see them growing atleast in the next 5 years unless they come up with better innovation and cheaper prices.

The scenario that you explained is perfect for share buy backs of growing companies that are undervalued. They eventually increase value for the investors long term. But if the shares are overvalued keeping in mind its future prospects, and then you buy them back, it hurts the share holders long term. Any fund manager worth his salt will recognize that and will underweight his position at the very atleast. 401k, which like you said are a bunch of mutual funds and ETFs aren't known to be ahead of the curve. Which is what I meant by lag.

At the end of the day all my comments were entirely based upon the fact that I don't see Apple growing. Which is my opinion and I can of course be wrong.

Edit- Fuck. Now you have me doubting. Am I still wrong?

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Sadoksad t1_j2a0ya3 wrote

You're not wrong but the issue is that the rising price is not sustainable, ie short term. This is because the company no longer wants or needs to retain all that money to grow the business. Over time, the market starts discounting that factor and the buy back gain that you had unrealized, no longer exists. Meaning, you lost out on your dividends. If you take an active role in your personal investments or if you've given your money to some sleazy fund, they'll make sure you're out before the market is. 401k's usually lag behind. I'm not saying you won't be profitable at all, you just lose out on that 'extra profitability'.

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Sadoksad t1_j28xngx wrote

Stock buy backs are essentially dividends paid out with out the extra tax that investors have to pay (Tax on the dividend AND Tax on the capital gain compared to just tax on the capital gain). Its also easier to manage than paying out dividends to every single investor. Provided the investor is smart enough to take some of his gains out. The rising prices does provide additional liquidity to the big players. In essence, you the layman with his 401k is only there to get screwed over.

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