jnelsoni

jnelsoni t1_j8nqoyr wrote

Or maybe we can just let young people have fun and eat free for a few years, then ship them out to biodynamic farms where they can work the soil by hand, utilizing no machinery or chemicals until death. The middle -aged can pull hand carts carrying produce to urban markets. Everyone has their ration cards and gets to eat, but labor is divided such that everyone gets a chance to have fun to the best of their ability in the pain-free years of life, and graduates to working closer to the land. When death comes it is usually closer to agricultural fields or in them, so less work needs to be done to move the bodies to the compost piles that fertilize the fields. In this way we can avoid directly eating people, but we would all still be cycled into food via soil inputs. If we did it without violence and guns, it would be more like the Smurfs than the Khmer Rouge.

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jnelsoni t1_j7jlro9 wrote

Yep. I’m afraid you’re the winner of this exchange. Maybe if there’s a real “zen” virus that comes around and makes us all happy to sit around in the dark and cold, just enjoying each other’s company, and being happy with very little, we could slow the ascent into catastrophe, but I don’t see it coming. We’ll be burning each other before we give up combustion-derived energy, unfortunately.

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jnelsoni t1_j6fdxmv wrote

It definitely is! I know my mom uses one of those machines at night and had to go through observed sleep studies. I wonder if they have a home monitor for diagnosis. I’m trying to imagine doing one in a hospital setting and them getting frustrated ( and me going broke) after I still haven’t fallen asleep after 2 days. I will definitely ask about it. I’m trying a therapist when I get back to the states and focusing on CBT for sleep hygiene and whatnot. I’m not sure how that’s going to work, but I have a sleep-log to start keeping track. Thanks!

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jnelsoni t1_j69r2c1 wrote

It’s really difficult for some people to sleep during severe depression. Some people sleep all the time. The sleepless part, in my experience, is usually caused by repetitive thoughts that can’t be turned off. Often that inner dialogue gets to be a debate about the merits of life versus the resolution and peace of nonexistence. It’s a really horrible problem to have insomnia as the most prominent depressive symptom. I’d much prefer the sleeping all the time version. Your wife is wise to have sleep as the first question.
I guess I wanted to say that it’s not necessarily poor sleep hygiene that causes depression, but that depression can be the primary cause of insomnia. In either case, insomnia is a dangerous accelerant, and if someone is dealing with that kind of depressed insomnia, it’s time to get some help, fast.

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