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tjrileywisc t1_jd9ml7a wrote

Requiring high percentages of affordable units in an inclusionary zoning policy, or a 40B development is a recipe for making them uneconomical for developers (this is why there are limits on this in the MBTA law).

Edit: I think they've also considered certain types of protected land in the worksheet and GIS layers they put out to assist local governments to determine zoning that works:

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/compliance-model-components

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tjrileywisc t1_jd8vff0 wrote

This is accounted for already - search for 'MBTA communities with limited or no transit station area' in this page-

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/section-3a-guidelines

The short answer seems to be 'wherever it makes sense, just meet the contiguity and density requirements'.

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tjrileywisc t1_jd85g1n wrote

Well I have suburban NIMBYs in my town who do have this infrastructure who also think our city shouldn't have to allow the housing, and they're expecting rural communities to allow it instead.

The only fair solution I see here is that everyone needs to relax a little and let the market get an equilibrium... which seems to be the approach the state is going for.

For what it's worth, the state put a cap on the amount of housing required in more rural communities after getting feedback during the comment session.

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tjrileywisc t1_jd7yw8p wrote

I'm not going to say you can't have it- it's just that it's unreasonable to expect urban infrastructure on a rural tax base. Frequently suburbia is subsidized by taxes in denser neighborhoods. Even if you don't have sewer access, you're getting a lot of road infrastructure that isn't paid for by gas taxes.

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tjrileywisc t1_jd7xs46 wrote

I just can't see a developer selecting a 100 acre plot of land unless there is enough around to justify sufficient demand to make the investment worthwhile. If it's a farm near or surrounded by a city, that would be snatched up, but I'm guessing this situation is pretty rare in the first place.

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tjrileywisc t1_jd77qxh wrote

The development amounts required by this law are about the farthest from dense you can get. It's only 15 units per acre. See the images in this link to get an idea of what that density means:

https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/april-2017/visualizing-compatible-density

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tjrileywisc t1_j8p92b9 wrote

Reply to comment by SuckMyAssmar in Gentrification by [deleted]

To be honest I don't even think we're building enough single family housing to meet that demand given how expensive they've become as well. Not that I am a huge fan of that type of housing anyway...

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tjrileywisc t1_j8p8qhv wrote

Reply to comment by SuckMyAssmar in Gentrification by [deleted]

That's fair, but I would say what you are looking for is for any price gradient to not go up as steeply and hopefully wages rise to meet it in a more sane place (that paper suggests in two years you can see a clear impact).

As an example of where this is going well, Tokyo builds enough housing supply that a recent college graduate can rent without roommates to my understanding.

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tjrileywisc t1_j8p7qyv wrote

Reply to comment by JPenniman in Gentrification by [deleted]

To add to this, parking requirements and lot size restrictions frequently add extra costs to apartment buildings such that parking has to be built in a separate building at great expense, or even worse underground at an even greater expense.

My city's inclusive housing ordinance only requires that the development not affect traffic too much, but there's no density bonus to allow the developer to make up losses on the affordable units and the parking requirements remain.

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tjrileywisc t1_j8p70lm wrote

Reply to comment by SuckMyAssmar in Gentrification by [deleted]

Here's a recent paper about this process (housing chains) working in Helsinki:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3929243

While this is frequently derided as 'trickle down housing', it's not like the supply side economic theory about always lowering taxes on rich people. Housing chains are more like the used car market- someone paid to have a new car and eat the cost of depreciation while selling their previous car at at a much lower price than they bought it.

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tjrileywisc t1_j8p66qw wrote

Great answers here. I'd also add that single family homes are also very much luxury housing, in that they frequently have many of the same amenities as so called 'luxury' apartments while also enjoying many subsides on the public dime.

(developers: please just call them 'new' unless you're saying something truly unique, you're not doing anyone any favors)

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tjrileywisc t1_j8niwjx wrote

I read through the towns surrounding mine (Waltham) and they seemed to be concerned about losing commercial tax base to lower tax base residential (someone tell them about mixed use zoning please) but generally they appeared to be at the acceptance stage of grief.

Waltham's response was at the bargaining stage though with a lot of excuses as to why we shouldn't have to comply and some nimby nonsense about luxury housing.

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tjrileywisc t1_j5hi1xl wrote

Your city may have stupid zoning policies that raise the cost of development such that only a bank could be placed there because they can afford it.

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