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GingerDeath t1_j6b3h3q wrote

Scratch and dent is where it’s at. Got a Maytag commercial washer and dryer for a little less than half what MSRP is. All there were were a couple scuff marks and a popped out dent

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FlourCity t1_j6bd8br wrote

Sure, they last forever, but they'll shorten the life of your clothes and use a lot of water doing it. Plus the smallish drum size is a PITA. Don't get why people love them so much. With the water and clothing saved you could easily afford to replace it with a less durable alternative more frequently.

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pensivebeing t1_j6bf1b4 wrote

Is there a specific model I should be looking for? I'll be in the market soon.

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Potential-Cover7120 t1_j6bg3e1 wrote

I have the same exact machine; had to tell the kids not to fill the washing machine all the way because the dryer doesn’t do so well with such a huge load. Not sure why you think the drum is small. Also, in the 3.5 years we’ve had it I haven’t noticed my clothes or towels aging any faster than usual. Very happy with it.

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Cfchicka t1_j6bp267 wrote

Be sure to level it! Mine wasn’t working because of that and had to pay a repair guy way too much money for something so simple

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Previousman755 t1_j6brvsb wrote

I have a Maytag we purchased in 1994. The repair this year, the first major one, was going to be $600, the repairman suggested we buy a new machine. $600 later still going strong!

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Happydivorcecard t1_j6brycy wrote

We love them because we remember when durable goods were actually durable and lasted decades. My parents’ washer and dryer from the early 80s lasted 25 years and could have been repaired again if they hadn’t decided to buy a front loader that was done in 10 years. In the summer of 2003 I had a job delivering Sears appliances. We took a pink “Lady Kenmore” set out of an elderly couple’s home. They were still working but the old man had bought them as a gift for his wife when she brought their fourth child home from the hospital in 1953. He said he’d decided after 50 years she deserved a new set.

Meanwhile my Samsung dryer died after 7 years, I repaired it, it died again a month later, I repaired it again, and when it died again two weeks after that I decided I didn’t have the time for it anymore to chase electrical gremlins and it was during the pandemic so it was hard to get a repairman to come out n less than two weeks and then it was going to men a minimum of $200. So I bought a Speed Queen scratch and dent dryer and am eagerly awaiting the washer failing for any reason that can’t be fixed with basic maintenance so I can be done with the finicky washer that has to be babied or it won’t get your clothes clean because it doesn’t use enough water.

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Mooseandagoose t1_j6bs6nb wrote

We love our speed queens. The T-7 has a bad rap but we love it. It’s simply a matter of choosing the appropriate cycle and not ‘the agitator will ruin your clothes’ like we see on this sub.

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PaintedDream t1_j6bw2x7 wrote

Congrats! We just purchased a set for our new home. Hope they outlast us.

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ratmonkey888 t1_j6bwx3e wrote

Work clothes , regular clothes, nice clothes , sheets, blanket, bath towels, dish towels , bath mats , dog sweaters , dog blankets etc every week. This is for two people and two dogs. What aren’t you washing ? Lol

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GraveyardMistress t1_j6bxggc wrote

Yes, the memory of what used to be. I had an old Amana washer the looks a lot like the Speed Queen here, and it lasted a good 18 or so years. When I finally had to replace it, I went back to the same appliance shop and asked for something similar and the salesman actually told me “they don’t make them to last like that anymore; you’ll be lucky to get 5 years out of these new ones.”

THAT is why we love the old style ones.

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RollingThunderPants t1_j6bxyrr wrote

I have a TC5/DC5 set. They are basic tanks—like, super basic—so if you want more features, definitely look into their other models.

That being said, I got mine because I don’t wear incredibly expensive clothing with technical fabrics and I like basic, no-fuss, easy-to-fix appliances that will last forever (all SQs do, but the TC5/DC5s, especially).

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Guilty_Armadillo583 t1_j6byn5a wrote

Good for you.

We've had this same unit for a few years. It's a real work horse and has been trouble free. It replaced a maytag that was probably 20 years old. Hope to get the same life out of this one.

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teamsameteam t1_j6bzhhd wrote

Mine is in storage. I'd pay $5000 in storage fees just to ensure I have her.

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concretefeet t1_j6bzrdx wrote

But not the BASHED it til NON-FUNCTIONING Jackpot. Lol.

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fairly_clever t1_j6c0xtu wrote

I got tired of fixing my washer so I picked up a matching set from speed queen and they've been rock solid. Worth the money.

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martialar t1_j6c4nn2 wrote

Did they charge you after just leveling your washer or did he at least do other maintenance and inspection? I had a plumber come out once to check the water pressure on a faucet and all he did was grab an empty big gulp cup from his truck, unhook the line under the sink, then open the line to check the pressure at the wall (which was working fine)

"that'll be $150“

no, that's highway robbery

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bobs_monkey t1_j6c4zac wrote

They are utterly fantastic. They are built with serviceability in mind, so repairs on them are stupid simple, and the company is a breeze to work with in regards to replacement parts. Only downside is they are stupid expensive compared to normal consumer units, but I'll happily pay the piper considering they'll last decades if you take care of them.

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cdigioia t1_j6c6o2g wrote

Nice! How did you find it, just scanning local appliance stores, or?

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Right_Violinist_5837 t1_j6c9wfv wrote

Know this is OT but can someone explain why americans still insist on making washers that look like they’re from the 1960s?

In europe, front loading washers has been the norm since at least the 80s. And yes. A german Miele front loading washer will also last «forever» if properly taken care of 🙂

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jockohazeldean1 t1_j6ccamh wrote

I bought my first washer/dryer six years ago for 50 bucks. Never had an issue and the thing is probably from the 90s.

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MrCertainly t1_j6cd1ty wrote

Full agreement. It's boogeyman bullshit, and they should get slapped in the face with a trout for peddling such fearmongering fucking lies.

I've used a Maytag-variant washer *my entire life. * like since I was a kid, and now I am on my own, I own a kirkland rebranded maytag. All center agitation. Old school mechanical kind.

I have clothes in my normal cycle that I've been wearing for the better part of 25 years. Some of the elastic has gone bad, and I absolutely have worn a few of the cheaper tshirts thin. But nothing unexpected for a 25 year old shirt worn about once every 2 weeks.

You know what is rough on clothes? These new front loaders that try to wash three pairs of jeans with two cups of water.

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hustlerbk t1_j6cia8y wrote

Some electronics are just not interesting to be Bifl. If you have a machine that’s 20 years old, the amount of energy it consumes is way more than the newer ones. Especially with the current energy crisis. I always buy machines that would typically last around 10-12 years for a relative low price and then replace it when it breaks down for a newer more efficient machine. In the long run this is cheaper than buying an expensive machine, having it for 20 years and maybe having to spend money to repair (such as the person who said he or she spent 600 dollars for repairs. That would buy you a new machine which can work at least 10 years maybe even 15 if you take care of it).

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hustlerbk t1_j6cim2p wrote

Yeah. Front loaders are the norm here in Europe because many people stack their dryer on top of their washer and that’s why they need to the door to be in the front. Apart from that, I think Miele is superior to any other brand, they last a very long time and a energy and water efficient while being soft on your clothes. I also love the (top line of) Bosch, which lasts you 15+ years easily while being relatively affordable.

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thedanishcoffeenerd t1_j6cl0yv wrote

More modern machines also has better and faster spin cykles with sensors that measure how much the machine shakes so it has a chance to rearrange the clothes before going full 1400+ rpm spin cykle. Synthetic clothes is almost dry straight out of the washer. And cotton only needs a short time in the dryer.

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HillaryGoddamClinton t1_j6cm94z wrote

The TR series do have some more circuit boards, but they are less mechanically complex than the TC5. Fortunately the circuit boards are easily replaceable, and are also tested to a high standard.

The TR series has mechanical simplicity going for it, in addition to being gentler on clothes than the TC series. The TC-5 is better if you come home from work with really dirty clothes, or if you just want an absolute minimum of electronics in your washer. There isn’t a wrong choice between the two.

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bgslr t1_j6cui59 wrote

Only thing I've heard about them is they can be a bit hard on your clothes, like in terms of colors fading faster or clothes losing more of their material. What's your experience with this?

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felafrom t1_j6cvnhr wrote

My experience is that it's true. I've lost two utility backpacks and one pair of shorts to these heavy duty commercial washers in my dorm (on the most delicate setting mind you). As much as I am a Ron Swanson with everything, I would never purchase a Speed Queen for my personal use. Plenty of sophisticated options out there today from Miele or even Bosch and the likes which don't wreak havoc on my clothes and are just as reliable. Additionally, I'm the man who would prioritize his clothes looking undamaged after 5 years of washing (which is important because clothes often have sentimental value) over "easier serviceability" which will save me like what...20 dollars and half an hour extra? I don't see the point.

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felafrom t1_j6cwbqi wrote

So somehow you're salty about high efficiency washers?

I feel like slapping you in the face with a trout because you don't provide any proven data to back up your claim either.

God damn the irony of your comment.

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bgslr t1_j6czgm5 wrote

Appreciate it, thank you! I'll look into Miele or Bosch. I'm moving my laundry hookups upstairs to my steps landing and out of my kitchen (terrible place for them), seemed like a good time to replace my POS combo unit that was here when we moved in.

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FlourCity t1_j6d0afh wrote

The point I'm making is that Consumer Reports objectively found that the models without the center agitator don't clean as well. I mean, CR certainly isn't perfect, but I'm not sure why I wouldn't trust them here.

And you just added another washer to the life span, lol. There's certainly some washers that while they won't last as long as a SQ, will certainly last more than 1/3 as long as an SQ. And yes, there's also washers out there that won't last even 1/3 as long as an SQ.

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GingerDeath t1_j6d259m wrote

There are also some places that will buy damaged aka scratch/ debt appliances that the company writes off and sells for minimal cost that they repair which is what mine were. One had a relay that was not plugged in internally so it wouldn’t turn on when they tested and that was it

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wanderinglostinlife t1_j6d3raa wrote

I purposely bought what might have been the last new one of the old model in existence. I had it shipped from a furniture store in the East Coast a few years back. My understanding is that when they went to the design where the agitator stays stationary, and the tub rotates that the ability to clean went down hill. There were some pretty compelling YouTube videos about it, and Speed Queen definitely faced some criticism.

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Previousman755 t1_j6d4sn9 wrote

It was over $500 in 1994. We had to make weekly payments on it. 4 dryers later it is still going. Funny thing about the 4 dryers is that we hang dry our clothes 90% of the time. So the dryers are really only for sheets and towels.

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munchkin1911 t1_j6d5snf wrote

I didn't downvote you, but these 'new' frontloaders have been standard where I'm from since before I was born, and in my experience work just fine, however these top loaders seem extremely big maybe you can't build a frontloader as big as a top loader without it going to shit.

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A1_Brownies t1_j6d74w1 wrote

"What arent you washing?"

Fair. I admit, bath mats, sheets, and dog stuff are not washed every week. I don't wear any nice clothes for them to need washing 😔 Perhaps for the other categories, I will do so when I finally get my TR3 (waiting on it to restock locally). Current GE washer is a little busted and also isn't guaranteed to get my dog's stuff actually clean. She's a chihuahua. She has little beds. You'd think the small stuff would be easy to wash when it's literally just 1-2 things at a time, but it's not 😩

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User5281 t1_j6d7soh wrote

This is a Reddit thing not an American thing. Front loaders are pretty much the standard in America too but Reddit fetishizes Speed Queen despite them being inefficient, loud and rough on clothes. I think they make the wrong compromises and I’m not a fan. Give this American a Miele over a Speed Queen any day.

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A1_Brownies t1_j6d7vjc wrote

We've got 1 teen and 3 adults and 1 dog. Even when mom's not around, I have to wash just as much with my shitty washer. I'm hoping that I can do bigger loads that actually get clean when I get my Speed Queen. If I guess the load size wrong, I sometimes have to rewash again because it all smells like the worst item that was in the bunch!

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User5281 t1_j6d7zvb wrote

I’m with you - I don’t get the fetish around here. Sure they’ll last forever but you’ll use way more water and power and need to replace your clothing more often. Give me a high quality modern front loader from a manufacturer like Miele any day.

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Sasselhoff t1_j6d8tv1 wrote

I was in a thread the other day in another sub, and someone said this:

> It's like speed queen. Went to shit when the gov't forced them to make a series with a more complex board for various reasons.

When I asked "Huh? I thought they were good", he then responded:

> If you can find one that has the original, basic wiring and board, they'll last. There's a youtuber called the maytag guy and he's good at laying out these things. I forget the video where he talks about what happened to speed queen.

I was unable to find the "Maytag Guy" YouTuber, so can someone tell me what the hell I'm supposed to believe? Are Speed Queen still good, or have they gone to shit?

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shenanigans2day t1_j6d96ea wrote

We had I think it was a whirlpool from the early 90s that was going strong up until a year ago. Bought a new washer and hate it. It has water level sensing that makes it take forever to do a load of laundry. Everything in the store within my budget had this feature and I wasn’t familiar with it so I figured what the hell. Worst purchasing decision ever.

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SepsSammy t1_j6d9vqg wrote

This doesn’t seem absurd to me at all. Keep your bedding clean, people! I can easily do bedding 8 times per week between all the comforters, blankets, and sheets! That’s not even taking any other laundry into account. Household of 4. So yeah, I’m right here with you!

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domlang t1_j6db7xz wrote

Very high power and water consumption, rough washing, costs a lot. Sounds like a shitty washer to me.

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NickCharlesYT t1_j6degci wrote

Yeah this is exactly why we skipped the commercial options when we bought our washer and dryer last month. Ultimately went with a cheaper LG front load set that was 1/3 the cost of the speed queen set. Sure it might only last 10-12 years, but the savings in water and destroyed clothes will be worth it in the long run.

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whileurup t1_j6df23a wrote

I don't care for front loaders bc you can't soak clothes for projects like using dyes or whitening things. My speed queen has the option of fill tub, but high efficiency is the default. Most people I know have front loaders now though.

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allhailtheburritocat t1_j6df5s2 wrote

Adding to this, “open box” items are also sometimes referred to as “scratch and dent.” For example, Best Buy (in-stores and website) has items labeled as “Open box” in “X” condition (eg: Open Box - like new condition). The terms may vary slightly but I think it’s worth looking into.

Anecdotally, I bought an open-box iPad towards the beginning of college. The price new was about $1250 (pre-tax) and the open box was listed for around $1100. After negotiating with a manager (Bestbuy managers can negotiate on open-box prices, at their discretion), they sold it to me for $997 (after-tax). The catch? The box was missing a thin piece of foam to cover the screen. The iPad itself was in perfect condition and is still going strong today.

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Unicorns-and-Glitter t1_j6dfz1t wrote

As an American in Europe, I know the answer. First, washing machines in Europe are often under things (dryers, counters), so front loaders save space because things can go on top. In America, most washers and dryers are side by side. Next, while front loaders have gained popularity in the US in the past few years, many people realized there's a reason top loaders were so popular for so long. While front loaders are more water effeciecient (important in Europe), they are not time effecient (very important to Americans who often have one designated day to do all of the household laundry per week). A typical top loader load is between 20-45 minutes. A front loader is almost never less than an hour. This is because front loaders use more water and can get clothes the same amount of clean in less time. Top loaders are also gentler on clothes. A front loader literally tosses clothes around for over an hour. A top loader gentle swirls them around. Over time, a front loader will wear out clothes faster. I've had things "eaten" by my many front loaders, but never in top loaders. Hand wash cycles on top loaders are pretty much as gentle as literally washing something with your hands. All in all, front loaders suit the needs of Europeans, and top loaders fit the needs of most Americans.

I currently have a front loader Miele that's over 20 years old here in Moldova and I love it, but it takes FOREVER. In America, we grew up with a Maytag that was also awesome and cleaned a load in 30 minutes. Neither are bad machines, it just depends on your needs.

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sunnysideup2323 t1_j6dltkw wrote

We just got a washer, and waiting for our old dryer to bite the dust to replace it. It’s such a good washer!

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FuryAutomatic t1_j6dnfpi wrote

I know what Speed Queen is as a laundromat commercial company, but I’m new to this. What makes Speed Queen a better machine than some other brand?

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yarrr0123 t1_j6dt0r3 wrote

Just looked, and it is not Energy Star rated. In fact, none of their top-loads are Energy Star.

This is very important for anyone looking for tax incentives and rebates- these do not qualify for any government incentives without being Energy Star.

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bringbackfax t1_j6dv97k wrote

I have a set and absolutely hate them. It’s the first time I’ve “splurged” on a washer and dryer instead of buying the cheapest available options, and the Speed Queens are the worst I have ever owned in two decades of living on my own (moved around a lot and unfortunately have had to buy a lot of washers and dryers because of it).

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NickCharlesYT t1_j6dvlej wrote

Their first mistake was buying Samsung. Least reliable appliance brand across the board in my experience, never known one in my circle of family and friends that were ever problem free. Don't know why people keep buying them.

I specifically sought out a front load model that was recommended by most appliance repair technicians I could talk to or hear from. Most said the model I have is good and they hardly ever have to service it, and when they do it's only minor issues. So we'll see how it goes, but the same method worked great for our last major appliances purchase.

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platinumpaige t1_j6dzw0v wrote

We just got a Speed Queen washer and dryer! I love them! Can’t wait to never have to buy another set again!

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justagigilo123 t1_j6e2byb wrote

I remember as a young child going to Sears with my dad to get the first clothes dryer for our house. He told the salesman that he wanted to buy a dryer to match the washing machine that he had purchased a year ago. The salesman asked him which model it was. My dad replied that he didn’t know, but it had a big dent in the side and it was fifty percent off.

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bringbackfax t1_j6e6oj4 wrote

The things you mentioned, plus very poor customer service. It may be regional, but I’m in a large metro area so it’s not like I’m in the middle of nowhere. My washer was delivered with a known issue and it took over a month to get someone out for a warranty repair.

The drum is also pretty small and I feel like the washer and dryer only have fair performance. The washer and dryer are both kind of uneven in that some of the clothes don’t come out clean even though it’s fairly rough on clothes, and some of the clothes in the dryer are still damp while others are dry after a full cycle.

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vorsky92 t1_j6e6xdl wrote

How much do you charge for work where you have to advertise, bill, wait for someone to call, schedule time, pay for gas and tolls to get there, spend your time driving, pay anyone else that helps or works for you, pay for contractors insurance, study to have the knowledge to know what to do, fight with the customer over the charges, buy the tools to perform the job, perform the actual job, risk injury, guarantee the work is correct, then spend your time waiting until the next appointment. Fitting about 3-5 of these jobs in 8 hours.

But I suppose 4 hours of actual work and 4 hours of distraction in an office setting is worth $240 in your mind.

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MyBunnyIsCuter t1_j6e9bxa wrote

My cousin has owned his own appliance repair business for over 30 years. I've commented before on some things he said about modern or newer machines and how they're not worth it. He told me and the rest of my family recently that if you can get your hands on a set of old school Speed Queen washer and dryers hold on to them and don't let them go. I think he said guard them with your life LOL

The new machines that look fancy and have Bluetooth and everything else in them, they are designed to have a major failure 6 months to one and a half years into ownership. You're going to have a major repair in no time, if you buy something brand new. That was designed that way to help the appliance industry.

The parts and labor to repair these old school washers and dryers that last for freaking ever is almost nothing. When I lived in South Florida my landlord had a set in my unit that was from the 1970s. It was a Kenmore set with Maytag motors. And the thing ran like a clock.

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milesbeats t1_j6ec7x0 wrote

You have to remember.. that plumber could have been somewhere else making money . It’s not that they wanted to over charge ..your repair could have taken them away from another one

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Catsplants t1_j6ej1v7 wrote

Love these machines. I would take it to the grave with me so I can wash my undies in hell, if I could.

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Catsplants t1_j6eji1q wrote

Same. Exactly same. That sh!tty samsung leaked and messed up our house. It smelled and was mouldy. Even though I did everything I was supposed to. I never hated an appliance more than that samsung front load. Now I have a speed queen and I wouldn’t trade it for nothing

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Happydivorcecard t1_j6etl48 wrote

And they are much safer I prefer older cars for their serviceability, style, and the durability of the frame and body, but when my daughter learns to drive she will be in a newer vehicle with crumple zones and forward and side air bags.

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Happydivorcecard t1_j6euols wrote

I also think that maybe people are wearing more delicate clothing today than previously. Particularly if they are wearing fast fashion. Too loafers with central agitators did fine for us until the late 90s/early 2000s. I really wonder what changed that people feel they are too tough on clothes now. I do try to buy clothing with thicker, tougher fabrics since moving to WFH in 2015. If I had to go into an office with a dress code again I might be more concerned about the washer messing stuff up.

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Thertrius t1_j6ewkai wrote

It’s ok let them keep putting words in your mouth with their wild assumptions about what you have written.

Some people are cultists but there is no denying that overall the reviews for speed Queen are

  • long lasting
  • quick
  • handle heavily soiled clothes from industry
  • are not as good at getting stains out as other top brands
  • can be more harsh on clothes than other top brands.
  • uses more water than other top brands.
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strcrssd t1_j6exfea wrote

Not really. It's an expensive resource, but not at all limited in the sense fossil fuels are.

Desalination and filtration/distillation allow us to make unlimited clean water at the cost of energy.

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Thertrius t1_j6exhil wrote

So you’re saying that they made a more gentle version in 2015 that washes less effectively because their old one wasn’t getting frequent reviews where impact on clothing was an issue?

And you cite “efficiency” like it’s the deathblow to all other models yet speed Queen are undeniably less efficient if your efficiency metric is related to use of electricity or water than say a top model Miele front loader.

Your efficiency metric is “time” and probably excludes the work taken to “pre-treat” stains because the speed Queen is less efficient at stain removal than more modern configurations.

There is no doubt they are built for longevity and quick cycles however to say that they are the only thing that matter in an “efficiency” claim is ludicrous enough that I want to slap your salty face with a trout

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Scared-Tie t1_j6f3bp2 wrote

Few years back the pump literally fell off of my family’s Samsung washing machine. Flooded the laundry room, and took us hours upon hours to clean up. Water even got into the bathroom, which was the next room over. Samsung refused to repair it for free. We ended up junking the thing, and telling Samsung we would never buy another one of there products. We had an LG washer next, and towards the end of its life, it had similar issues, but no pump falling off, and causing a flood. It did however reek of mildew and dankness.

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rosinall t1_j6fbrlk wrote

I recommend a trip to /r/appliances, where you will find everyone from consumers to seasoned repair people telling you expect the problems to start any day now, followed by terrible customer service and stupidly unattainable parts. Sansung is likewise despised for the same reasons.

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NickCharlesYT t1_j6fd4g6 wrote

Yeah funny thing about brands. Someone, somewhere has already had a bad experience. It can be very hard to judge exactly how reliable a brand or specific model is using only hearsay. The key is the actual service rates and statistics by companies that actually do testing of appliances, as well as the people who service them regularly. Otherwise, you'll find it impossible to navigate the sea of complaints and horror stories.

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Actualadvicepharm t1_j6fhe0z wrote

What’s the power usage?

My grandma had a fridge that she loved that was about 50 years old. When it finally gave up the ghost, her electricity bill halved.

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packersfan823 t1_j6firt3 wrote

When I worked at Best Buy (2008-2010), I bought my mom a new range and a TV. Both were open box, and she still uses both to this day.

The best time to buy an open box tv is January, that's when we'd get the new model year stuff and we had to move the old stuff out.

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ninjamoosen t1_j6fmyrg wrote

Oooh I have that one and it’s amazing!! Absolutely obsessed with it

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realfinkployd t1_j6fn8b3 wrote

Mine seems to be leaking from the bottom somewhere. I keep finding water on the floor and it’s not coming from the hoses.

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alvipelo t1_j6g18z8 wrote

I ask because we have a Roper washer and dryer. We bought them for around $450 each ten years ago. They're still plugging along. With four kids, we do plenty of laundry. I've had to replace the timer on the dryer, but it's still working perfectly. I had to take apart the washer to fish a baby sock out of the washer pump, but other than that, we've had no issues.

I've always kinda figured that if a repair at any point was going to cost close to the original purchase price, it would be time to buy a new one.

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felafrom t1_j6h92ha wrote

Yeah you should definitely look at the broader high-end market if you're going to upgrade anyway. Long term, a few hundred dollars are basically equivalent to dirt, but I would cry if my shirt that my mother bought me for college 10 years ago came out torn courtesy of a "hurr-durr rugged washer cuz I'm a construction worker" sentiment.

Miele is very expensive, but many German and European brands have nailed the art of washing clothes pretty well, so I hope you look into that. All the best with your renovation!

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bgslr t1_j6hlqda wrote

Miele does seem nice, but all I'm seeing are the ventless heat pump style from them. Whatever hookups I choose is negligible because I'm going straight up and need to run new water / power lines anyway. Right now I have gas hookups and could easily have the plumber extend gas upwards / add an exhaust upstairs.

Heat pump style does seem neat and more energy efficient. Biggest hangup I have about it is that the loads take longer to dry and the drum is about half the size of traditional laundry machines.

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isarobs t1_j6ifsy4 wrote

Lucky you! These are the best!

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t3hs4v4g3 t1_j6jr4kc wrote

NO WAY. I plan to get a set with our tax return, and I have my fingers unimaginably crossed hoping for a scratch and dent set. Which set is this?

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SlipperyPete360 t1_j6or442 wrote

Is this a current year model or older? I’ve heard they changed some things and the older ones are better?

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