Legalize it and be done with it. The PA GOP fascists need to get back to their trans porn browsers before their wives walk in.

The PA cannabis system is a joke in every sense. Nothing medical about it.

Exorbitant prices, no true edibles, vapes that clog, medical strains named “Trainwreck” and “Green Crack,” discounts on some days but not all days so screw you if you can’t make it in that day, strains that disappear from menus after we’ve grown accustomed to them… I’m sure I’m missing some of my usual complaints

What’s the deal with the edible situation? It all seems to be capsules.

Caps, tincture, RSO

Edit: but no gummies, no lozenges, no beverages, no baked goods.

IIRC Illegal per state law. Gov Wolf thought they were too similar to Candy that kids can get at.

It's such a dumb take too. The packaging is completely different, usually including child-proof locks. We have a wide variety of alcoholic drinks flavored and styled after every kind of soda. I'm a grown adult who wants to get high off desserts in my living room. Why does the government have any say in that?

I don’t disagree. But that’s their logic.

Thanks for the info. That’s really something.

And yet lollipop and bubblegum vodka is A-OK.

The list of doctors who are authorized to prescribe is hilarious - dermatologists, hair loss specialists, plastic surgeons, etc. Almost none of the qualifying conditions are treated by such doctors. There's one on the list who's registered address is his personal house, but I can't find any records of him actually practicing in PA. The bureaucratic BS citizens have to put up with is infuriating yet there seems to be little oversight of the prescribers.

Not before they make sure all their buddies get first dibs on growing and dispensary licenses. Can’t let the free market be to free!

The biggest complaint should be the DUI laws. As soon as you get a medical card you’re at risk to get a DUI at literally any point bc it doesn’t matter if the last time you medicated was 6 days ago since it’s still in your blood you still get tagged with the dui.

And then you just basically pay a few thousand dollars.

Wow. Thanks for making me aware of this.

What boggles my mind is that you’re a criminal if you have a medical card and own a firearm.

Exactly! And if the nra was actually a gun owner/rights lobby (not a gun sales lobby) they would take it to the Supreme Court on the first court case possible. Sched 1 for “no medicinal use” and over half the country has legalized medicinal use.

Ridiculous the FDA/DEA and the other powers at be won’t at least revise the status to be on par with reality.

I’m just so tired of living in a country that doesn’t respect it’s citizens and treat them like adults.

Did the PA GOP appoint the leader of the department of health at some point since the program started? That department approves or denies the permits after collecting their $35k bribe, I mean fee.

https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/programs/Medical%20Marijuana/Pages/Dispensaries.aspx

You also can't have a ccw and medical card.

Yeah that’s also a big one. Personally, I’m more concerned about dui laws but can totally see how people would be as upset or more upset about Ccw laws

Um dude have you ever been to Colorado the strain names in medical are named funky names too. Secondly I hate to give you the news flash but the universe doesn't revolve around you. Try going to the grocery store and complaining to them when items you want go on sale ugh smdh

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Or the fact that that the dispos only focus on THC and none of the other medicinal cannabinoids like CBG, CBN, CBDA, CBGA, CBC.

It is really shameful.

Can't grow our own like other legal states

Yes!! That should have been my top complaint. Would certainly save a lot of money and help a lot more people.

I mean yes technically THC stays in one’s system for 30 days depending on body fat content but if you haven’t smoked in 15 days how you getting a DUI?

Because it's a zero tolerance law. One microgram in your blood an old wham, you're DUI.

Oh I almost forgot; people still have weed charges on their record. Meanwhile, the state sells it as medicine.

PA still decades behind the west coast, I see.

But how would you get pulled over to be tested anyway? You’re still high after 15 days?

It doesn't matter how you get pulled over.

Let's say the cop pulls you over for a tail light that's out, but finds some bullshit probable cause to test you for DUI. If you've used cannabis in the last month, you're pretty well fucked due to the incredibly low limit for THC in the blood mentioned above in this thread.

The way the law is currently written, if you use cannabis on a regular basis, you are technically committing a DUI every time you drive in PA, whether you are currently high or not.

This combined with the fact I can't legally own a firearm with a medical card is why I haven't bothered to get one. It doesn't offer me any real protections or benefits for the fees I'd have to pay, and it's giving documentation of my cannabis use to the state that can be used against me when the cops see fit.

Thanks, but no thanks.

So you get pulled over for speeding and they give you a blood test? Ok.

Don't forget celebrity endorsements and "swag".

That and employment laws. Kinda stupid that I can come back from the weekend and everyone has a drinking story. But say about smoking some weed and you'll be getting a call from HR.

Good thing the police can't access the MMJ database.

If the cop comes up with a reason for probable cause, or can show reasonable suspicion that you are intoxicated (classic "I smell burnt cannabis in the car" bullshit) then yes. They can detain you until a blood test is done.

Never said they SHOULD be able to do this, but it is 100% plausible.

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Yes. My son went through this, the cop wasn’t satisfied with the clear breathalyzer at a routine traffic stop and wanted blood for weed. He refused and has to get a fucking interlock in his car and spent multiple years suspended over the whole thing.

Continue to poke holes in the system until legalization is the last resort.

Could be literally any reason. There was a woman who had a seizure at a traffic light but she got a dui because they tested her at the hospital.

MORE flexibility? It's not hard in the first place. All I have to do is a 1 minute phone call with a doctor once a year and I can use the recreational-pretending-to-be-medical system

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Why can't we just make weed legal?

Also every state north/east of New Jersey (including), except New Hampshire. Legal recreational, legal to grow in most. Maine is Ridic, EVERYONE is Growing in Maine.

Because people vote Republican?

Should just legalize it recreationally and let that be it, no more of this pussy-footing around

I stand corrected yinz. What a bummer

Just legalize it as promised, Josh.

Under Bruen, this prohibition is unconstitutional, at least according to the Fifth Circuit in U.S. v. Jared Michael Harrison. The demonic DOJ is appealing, but the writing is on the wall. Note: The Harrison decision isn’t necessarily binding on PA’s district, but per Bruen, the ban on ownership, possession, and carriage (LTCF) is patently unconstitutional. This domino will fall soon — and for good. That said, IANAL; consult a competent atty.

Don’t forget the musician owned product placement jammed down our throats pretty hard with a release party like it was a fucking alcohol label.

I got pulled over once for a single rear view mirror going over the line on an empty stretch of road late at night. I always comply, and try to be as nice and courteous as I can. Had not been doing anything wrong. Was not under the influence of anything.

That stop ended with me and my passenger handcuffed on a squad car while a canine unit searched my vehicle for fifteen minutes.

Things involving the police can and do occur for vague, obscure and otherwise surreal reasons regardless of whether it offends your incredulity

Cotton candy mango vodka with a literal Pixar style cartoon character in the commercial/on the label: I sleep

Much (MUCH) safer form of ingesting thc for people with lung issues that would also fucking double dispensary sales: REAL SHIT?

We had a Democrat President, Democrat House and Democrat Senate for 2 years straight.

They could have removed weed from schedule 1 drug list, which would have automatically fixed a lot of PA issues with weed use since the laws just reference federal schedule 1 drug list.

Democrats have historically been anti-weed because 1) They're all Old 2) They've always been scared shitless by the right winger's anti drug crusading, so have always been compelled to appear "tougher on Crime" than Republicans. From Tip O'Neill, who doubled down on the "Mandatory Minimums" craze in the mid 80's, to Obama, who had to be Timid about anything that upset rightwingers, from weed to gay marriage, which seems ridic because they all think he's the AntiChrist anyhow. Now you have Biden, who is Older than Moses. No, don't gimme any of that Libertarian Bullshit about how Republicans are for "Freedom". No, that only applies to forcing Evangelical Christianity down everyone's throats.

Manchin & Synema in the Senate are DINO's & would have never gone along with any of that anyhow.

Are you saying all those Democrat voters are stupid if they voted for DINO's?

Well legal weed is Hardly the 1st priority of most voters. Isn't it always "Jobs Jobs Jobs"? Certainly in Manchin's home state. But anyone who thinks any pol on either "wing" can do anything to bring non-Anthracite coal back is living in la la land . . .

Much of the time, folks vote out of habit for their incumbent, regardless of party. It's an Odd Dysfunction of US Voter attitudes: Most of us absolutely HATE all politicians, especially Senate / Congress in general, BUT . . . Most will also say, at the same time, they Love/Like their individual Senator / Congressman. Polls have been demo'ing this for decades, at all levels, Fed / State / Local. Or else they "pull the party line" in a "wave" year (blue or red). Even when "party lines" have been eliminated from voting machines (ok we don't use those types of mechanical lever machines anymore, you know, the ones everyone used to trust blindly, but were Fraught with 10,000x the errors, & susceptibility to Fraud, of "modern" systems, that now no one trusts).

> He refused and has to get a fucking interlock in his car and spent multiple years suspended over the whole thing.

This is probably a dumb question, I expect everyone knows the answer, but here it is:

In retrospect, do you think it was a good idea to refuse the blood test and take the license suspension rather than getting the blood test and certainly failing?

yet

Honestly I think fighting a marijuana charge would have been cheaper and had a better chance at being successful. The DUI you get for refusal is so expensive and you can’t fight it.

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and yet the party continues to back them, funding their campaigns over progressive challengers. if the party had any spine, they'd have cut off endorsements, remove them from committee assignments, etc. but nah, the democrats only care about saving face, finding someone in the party to blame so they don't actually have to pass policies that people want.

edit, since people seem to think that i'm a dem: the democratic party has proven that it is not and will never be a vessel for change. my comment is pointing out one of the more obvious examples of such. the republican party has never been good, but when the entire platform leading into 2024 is genociding trans people, the dems are (sadly) the only viable option, and they know it.

It's the deep state!

Yeah there needs to be some effective way of testing if drivers are stoned while operating their car.

Progressives have Shit for brains too. Their "Democratic Socialist" "Defund the Police" Nonsense is Never gonna "Play In Peoria" or any "flyover country", where a guy like Biden pulled in the elderly secret racist dementia voter bloc, which is still Yuge. Every time AOC Tweets out on Columbus Day (oh sorry Indigenous Day) "Columbus was a Genocidal Maniac who Butchered Millions", that's Millions who will NEVER vote Blue.

Progressives & Trumpers have that much in common: Can win primaries, but are Toast in General Elections (oh sure there are 90 - 100 solid Progressive districts in the House, but . . . statewide? Presidential? Fuggeddaboudit! Obama was the closest you'll ever get, & you all H8ted him cause he Smart Bombed terrorists (Good for Him)

>Obama was the closest you'll ever get, & you all H8ted him cause he Smart Bombed terrorists (Good for Him)

mask off moment, opinion discarded

Yeah, I betcha you think Che Guevara was some sort of fucking Hero.